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Mr. Wakelin. Specific to this program. 



Senator Pell. Specifically with regard to this program. 



Mr, Wakelin". Yes. I think this \Yould be a \^ery fine idea and 

 through this mechanism one would have better guidance and a better 

 feeling of responsibility for this particular area in the Foundation. 



Senator Pell. This idea emerged in a luncheon some of us had with 

 witnesses yesterday and this thought came up. 



Another question is with regard to the cost of the program. 



Do you have any idea as to what would seem the appropriate amount 

 for a seed program of this type to get it started for the first and second 

 year ? 



Mr. Wakelin. I have looked over the material you sent me, Mr. 

 Chairman and there are various opinions expressed in these documents, 

 particularly in the symposium that was held in the University of 

 Rhode Island on the sea grant college concept. I would say myself 

 that if one were to use the moneys that are accumulated from the lease 

 of offshore lands of the order of a percentage of $175 million or $200 

 million, that certainly a sum of the order of $15 million to $20 million, 

 or 10 percent of that figure would be an excellent start for the program. 



I would like to have a feeling, probably better than the one I have 

 now, with respect to how many candidate universities throughout the 

 land would be in line for such support. If there were of the order 

 of one per State, it would be a program of the order of $300,000 per 

 university or per academic institution. 



Senator Pell. This brings up another thought that also emerged 

 from some discussions yesterday and that is to work out the balance 

 between a little encouragement to each State and real support at centers 

 of excellence. We adopted this approach in the Arts and Humanities 

 legislation which was also reported out of this committee, and for 

 which I also had the honor of being the chairman of the subcommittee. 

 Our arrangement was that a portion of the funds would be allocated 

 on an equal basis to all 50 States and the other portion would be allo- 

 cated on the selective basis, on a merit grant basis. 



And that would mean maybe $5 million available for distribution 

 among all of the individual States to get a little program going, and 

 then the other $10 million to be allocated to a small number of the 

 universities who are doing more in the field. 



Does that make sense to^ you ? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes. 



I think also there was another idea that we have been discussing 

 just now and that is the question of interest in the program shown by 

 academic and research institutions by way of what they would offer 

 as an inducement for further funding, such as the matching principle. 



Senator Pell. Yes. 



Mr. Wakelin. I would hope, in answer to your first question, that 

 broader support throughout the academic institutions by the Federal 

 Government could be offered on an equal State basis as an incentive to 

 building up departments of excellence in this field, but that also those 

 institutions that are already in being, and that have a research and a 

 teclmological base already working, would also have a chance to ex- 

 pand their efforts beyond that on a pro rata basis to each State. 



Put I would also think that in return to engender State interest and 

 become, perhaps, more of a partner in the oceanographic program, in 



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