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the United States, in the States, that it might be well to consider also 

 the question of matching funds on some kind of a percentage basis of 

 national funding, Federal funding. 



Senator Pell. This is what we are turning over in our minds. 



Do you think this matching provision should be in the little bits of 

 seed money that would go to each State, or on a merit grant basis to a 

 few institutions, or to both ? 



Wliat would be your view from your experience ? 



Mr. Wakelin, I am wondering about — in answer to your question — 

 if I can think a bit out loud, Mr. Chairman, I am wondering about 

 those institutions who have at present no capability in this field and 

 perhaps don't have an interest in it right now. What would they do 

 with the money that would be given to them on a pro rata basis? 



Senator Pell. They would not receive this money unless they had 

 asked for it, met certain requirements, and showed an intent to develop 

 an interest and a curriculum in oceanology, particularly in the prac- 

 tical aspects of it or marine engineering. 



Mr. Wakelin. I would think the question of matching funds, then, 

 with regard to the two kinds of funding you proposed, would be better 

 on a pro rata basis because I think that you want to engender interest 

 in the universities and build up departments in the universities that 

 are not now strong in this area. And I think on a matching fmid basis 

 this is an inducement to them to get into the field. 



Now, if you consider matching funds in the special categories of 

 already existing institutions, you are going to those institutions with 

 particular jobs in mind which I think has less of a meaning in the 

 maching principle than it does on a pro rata basis. 



For example, if I were going to one institution that we could name in 

 the New England area, I would go there for a particular purpose and 

 I wouldn't want them to feel that I was going there with the idea that 

 they had to match on a pro rata basis what I had given them for 

 specific research or a specific training job. 



Senator Pell. So, in your view, the emphasis of the matching pro- 

 vision should be on the money that is evenly divided amongst the 

 States ? 



Mr. Wakelin. I think so. 



Senator Pell. Would you also want a matching provision in the 

 centers of excellence approach or not ? 



Mr. Wakelin. I wouldn't want this as a restriction for the kind of 

 work I believe you would want to put at those institutions of current 

 excellence. 



Senator Pell. Right. 



One final question, and this, again, concerns the practical aspects of 

 the bill. The thought developed that we might call for the develop- 

 ment of the equivalent of the county agricultural agents and call them 

 Marine Extension Agents, and that colleges particpating in this pro- 

 gram take on a responsibility to have two or three practical horny- 

 handed fellows who would be able to help in the same way that an 

 agricultural agent, a county agent, would. 



Does this make sense to you ? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes ; it does. 



Senator Pell. It did .to us. , 



