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Mr. Wakelin, You make provision for that, Mr. Chairman, I think 

 in the bill that is already under consideration. 



Senator Pell. That is right, but we thought we might spell it out 

 a little more. The term we thought of using was Marine Extension 

 Agent. Does that seem a good one to you ? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



If I might return just to one point for about 30 seconds, with re- 

 gard to the magnitude of the f imding, one doesn't always know in the 

 next 25 years what $1 is going to buy, and can there be a provision — 

 can you foresee a program growing from $15 or $20 million at the cur- 

 rent value of the dollar in buying power, to $45 or $50 million at some 

 other period in our growth, where $15 or $20 million would be an in- 

 significant contribution at that time? 



Senator Pell. All figures are completely relative and on the basis 

 of the year or two for which they are provided. 



I think if we look 10 years ahead, we are going to have to see how 

 this bill works itself out, what, as you say, the dollar is worth. It may 

 be a great deal more, a great deal less, and what the interest is in the 

 Congress in it, because without an interest here, it would be more diffi- 

 cult to get it through. One just doesn't know how it will develop. 



Mr. Wakelin. I think a percentage of the return to the Federal 

 Government of lease of offshore lands, at least solves part of this pro- 

 gram even though you don't earmark that amount of money out of 

 that particular fund. 



Senator Pell. It is a fortuitous relationship there. 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



Senator Pell. Thank you very much. Dr. Wakelin. 



Mr. Wakelin. Thank you, sir. 



Senator Pell. Our next witness is Dr. Victor Basiiik, whom I wel- 

 come. At one point wlien I was taking naval correspondence courses 

 and had pretty well run out of courses, I took one under his direction 

 which I remember was one of the most complicated courses I ever took 

 and successfully passed. 



I welcome you here, 



STATEMENT OF DR. VICTOR BASIUK, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF 

 POLITICAL SCIENCE, CASE INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOaY, CLEVE- 

 LAND, OHIO 



Dr. Basiuk. My name is Victor Basiuk. I ma an associate profes- 

 sor of political science in the graduate program on science, technology, 

 and public policy. Case Institute of Technology, and a research asso- 

 ciate, Institute of War and Peace Studies, Columbia University. 



I am also a consultant on the Naval Long-Range Objectives Group, 

 Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, Navy Department. The 

 views expressed in this statement, however, are my own and do not 

 necessarily represent those of the institutions with which I am 

 affiliated. 



As my positions indicate, I am a political scientist and not an ocean- 

 ographer. However, witliin my field I have had a longstanding in- 

 terest in the impact of science and technology on national and inter- 



