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Dr. Basiuk. Actually, I did not mean to make this bill a cold war 

 bill. It is just a matter of providing for the education and training 

 which would include some considerations of our foreign policy. It 

 doesn't have to be — we do not have to make this a battleground of any- 

 thing, but, I believe, these considerations have to be included in order 

 to strengthen the effectiveness of the bill. 



Senator Pell. I understand, and I fully understand the strength of 

 your views and, as I said earlier, I know of your own background as a 

 professor at the Naval War College and I appreciate what you are 

 saying. The thrust of the bill, though, is more, as I said earlier, to 

 increase our number of fishermen and miners and maybe make seaweed 

 of greater use to the manufacturers and farmers of the country, and 

 things of that sort. 



I thank you very much, Dr. Basiuk, for coming, and I wish you 

 well. 



Dr. Basiuk. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Pell. Our next witness is Dr. Idyll, chairman of the Fish- 

 eries Division of the Institute of Marine Science, University of Miami. 



Welcome, and proceed as you will. 



I have your statement here which I also notice is a certain length 

 but you proceed as you will. 



STATEMENT OF DR. C. P. IDYLL, CHAIUMAN, FISHERIES DIVISION, 

 INSTITUTE OF MARINE SCIENCE, UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, 

 MIAMI, FLA. 



Dr. Idyll. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



If you will permit me, I will offer the mimeographed statement for 

 the record, and depart a little from the written statement to emphasize 

 some of the important points. 



Senator Pell. I would welcome that approach and I believe also it 

 would serve the interests of the committee best if we get the benefit of 

 the distillate of your wisdom in the paper, and then get the emphasis 

 that you give it verbally. 



Your statement will be put in the record. 



Dr. Idyll. In the first place, Mr. Chairman, I find tliis a most 

 exciting concept. My specialization is in the applied aspects of ocean- 

 ography. As Chairman of the Fisheries Division of the Institute of 

 Marine Science, my research and that of my staff' has been directed 

 toward the application of basic research for the benefit of the com- 

 mmiity in the way of producing more food and more of the other 

 materials from the sea. 



It seems to me that the U.S. science community has failed to derive 

 the benefits from the magnificient research that the pure scientists 

 have produced. I have felt a sense of frustration over many yeai's in 

 attempting to do exactly what your bill proposes and I want to say 

 more about this frustration later because I tliink it bears very heavily 

 on the problem. The bill is most timely and necessary, in pointing out 

 that tills country requires to take the researcli of the basic ocean- 

 ograpliers and make it into sometliing that will benefit this country 

 and, in fact, the wliole world. 



One of the questions that has been raised several times and is still a 

 point of issue is who should administer this program. 



