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Mr. Perry. That is correct, but I feel the theories or the arguments 

 advanced for inchiding every State, for instance, are going to cause 

 a scattering of the shot. I think we have a definite problem. I think 

 it ought to be concentrated on those universities which show proximity 

 to the ocean and an already established engineering, ocean engineering, 

 or oceanology facility, and who have the real need for these funds. 



I think it is silly to scatter it around because on the same theory we 

 would have given every State a Cape Kennedy, for instance, that seems 

 to me a fairly good example of concentrating our efforts. 



Senator Pell. Right. There is great merit to what you say, but 

 also what we are trjdng to do is develop the skills and basic knowledge 

 all over the country. That is why perhaps the lion's share of this fund- 

 ing might go for the institutions, the centers of excellence, but if we 

 could use a portion of it to develop an interest around the country, 

 perhaps on a matching basis, which would do that, it might be more 

 effective. 



A good analogy here is the arts and humanities foundation. At this 

 point the performing arts are almost entirely centered in two or three 

 areas — New York, California, maybe Illinois. But the purpose of 

 the act is to generate interest all over the country in the arts, and for 

 that reason we had both concepts in the bill, a basic minimal matching 

 grant for each State as they developed a program or interest in it, 

 and also a competitive grant basis, and that is the thought I had here. 



]Mr. Perry. I see. I don't agree with that statement at all because I 

 feel you have one problem in the humanities and you have an entirely 

 different problem in the efforts of invading the sea. I think we are 

 going to have to take every penny we can afford in order to lick this 

 problem and I feel that the interest problem will take care of itself 

 if we as a nation do an excellent job of getting into the sea and being 

 ahead of Russia. The interest in the thing is generating itself, and 

 the best way to get the interest is for us to be the best. 



Senator Pell. I appreciate your views on this and they will be 

 properly weighed and considered, and I thank you, too, for coming 

 here today, very much indeed. 



Mr. Perry. Thank you, sir. 



Senator Pell. I see that Congressman St Germain, a fellow Rhode 

 Islander, is now here and will offer his testimony. Congressman St 

 Germain is shepherding a bill similar to this one in the House. Will 

 you proceed. Congressman. 



STATEMENT OF HON. FERNAND ST GERMAIN, A REPRESENTATIVE 

 IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND 



Mr. St Germain. I thank you Mr, Chairman for this opportunity 

 to appear before the committee. 



The matter of oceanography and sea grant college legislation is of 

 extreme interest to me for I believe that it is of utmost importance to 

 the State which I am privileged to represent, to our Nation which 

 we all serve, and to mankind for whom we are all responsible. 



The oceans of the world comprise the last frontier of inner space. 

 Herein lies territory as challenging and more promising of economic 

 reward than the regions of outer space. It beholds the promise of an 

 almost inexhaustible supply of minerals, metals and, most important. 



