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Another quotation from the report : 
The truth is as simple as it is important: Whether the quantity and quality 
of basic research and graduate education in the United States will be adequate 
or inadequate depends primarily on the Government of the United States. From 
this responsibility the Federal Government has no escape. Wither it will find 
the policies and the resources which permit our universities to flourish and 
their duties to be adequately discharged or no one will. 
So it seems to us, then, that this effectively disposes of the argument 
that the Federal Government has no business supporting the faculty 
salaries and these other things that I have mentioned that we require 
in order to expand the training facilities for oceanographers at the 
University of Miami. . 
The CuatrmMan. That is only if the Federal Goverment in the first 
instance decides that we need more work done in the field of oceanog- 
raphy for the national interest. 
Dr. Inytu. Yes, sir. 
The Cuarrman. Which I think, basically, has been pretty well de- 
cided from the White House on down through Congress. 
Dr. Ipyuu. Yes, sir; that is my impression. 
The Cuarrman. There are some exceptions. 
Senator Smaruers. I have heard a little of those exceptions recently 
in the paper, too. There was the question of the Federal aid to 
education, which is a little bit involved. But I am on this side, 
the side of the doctor. 
Dr. Ipyuu. Like the Johns Hopkins University, the University of 
Miami is a private institution; and therefore private funds are used 
to support it. We are completely unable to support the size of 
organization which we feel necessary to do the job that we have set 
ourselves. 
In other words, we have a staff of some 185 trained scientists, and 
no university, I believe, public or private, is capable of giving this sort 
of support unaided. 
The training that we give our graduate students is from the senior 
faculty, senior research people of this institution, so that the training 
is, we believe, highly valuable to the students in coming from people 
who are actually engaged in research, and this again is something 
that this report brings out. 
The Cuatrman. Let me ask you this question : | | 
If something should happen in this field in the nature of defense, 
the Defense Department—because this is becoming more important 
to them as we go under water—would be calling upon you for certain 
things, would it not ? 
Dr. Ipytu. Yes, sir. 
The Cuarrman. You are not prepared to do the things they want 
to do right now, are you? 
Dr. Ipyuu. No, sir; this is correct. 
The Cuarrman. And it would take some time to get prepared, first 
in the field of qualified people, whom you don’t get overnight, and 
second, in the matter of equipment, which you just don’t build 
overnight. 
Dr. Ipyru. Yes, sir, that is correct. And in particular you can 
usually build a machine fairly expeditiously, but you cannot train 
scientists —— 
