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The Cuarrman. In your specific approach, I think probably your 
enthusiasm for this stems from, if anything, the importance of get- 
ting some trained people in this field. 
Dr. Ipyuz. Yes, sir, and this is the thing I hope to emphasize in this 
testimony. 
Senator Smaruers. May I ask a question there, Mr. Chairman, 
more of you than the witness. 
Does the Defense Department give any recognition to the import- 
ance of this area in its efforts ? 
The CHatrman. Oh, yes. There are some No. 1 priorities down 
there in the field of marine science; big priorities. Particularly in 
view of the fact that a part of the emphasis is on underwater defense, 
and particularly in view of the fact that the Soviet bloc is proceeding 
with great rapidity in this field. 
I will say to the Senator from Florida, I am on the Space Commit- 
tee, too, and handle their appropriation. We argue about whether 
there are lags there, and that is subject to political argument. But 
no one has ever said that there is not a lag im the oceanographic field. 
The University of Miami, as one prime example, is trying to do some- 
thing about it. 
Senator Smatuers. Your contention is that it is just as important 
to explore the cellar as the attic. 
The CHarrMan. Yes. 
Dr. Ipyuxu. If I may briefly mention something about each of the 
six points I brought up, and I promise to be brief. 
We require assistance for our faculty in order to train the people 
that we have, because at the present time these people borrow time 
from their research jobs to teach. I don’t mean by this that they are 
improperly borrowing this. But what I mean is that the amount of 
time that the university is able to pay for the instruction is inade- 
quate. This is one of the reasons that we cannot train more than 50 
instead of the 150 students that we would like to have. 
Secondly, the need for fellowships has been talked of so often that 
it hardly needs to be emphasized. Yet let me say that it does require 
emphasis. 
You buy graduate students the same as you buy any other com- 
modity. Unless you have a high price tag on these people, you are 
not going to get them. 
Dr. Pritchard, if I may repeat what he said again, mentioned 
people who started out in oceanography but were forced to go some- 
where else for lack of support. This is most important, and I am de- 
lighted to see that S. 901 provides for this. It is a most important 
part of the bill. 
We need space. The space at the Marine Laboratory has increased 
from some 12,000 square feet in 1955 to the present 35,000 square feet. 
Despite this rapid increase we find ourselves hanging from the rafters. 
We need immediately 10,000 more square feet just to train the people 
that we have now. 
I mentioned in terms of training students the necessity for long-term 
grants. The committee may wonder why we talk about research in 
connection with training of students. I think anyone in the profes- 
sion knows that you must have research going on in order to train 
students because you can’t train a person to dance without having 
