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Tt seems to us that section 6 of the bill does not spell this out in 
as specific terms as we would like. 
The CHatrman. I think that we are going to have to make some 
modifications in the bill. The real problem is—and no one knows 
it better than my friend Dr. Chapman, sitting here—that when these 
agencies, such as the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, believe they 
should be doing something through you, they have to go through all 
the housekeeping of their respective departments and the department 
budget. That is pretty much a year-to-year operation. We are 
hopeful that this will have the effect of not taking away from any 
department what is being done there or what they need to do, but 
as a matter of fact beef up their programs, do more in all these fields, 
whether it be the Navy or the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries. The 
purpose is to have some kind of an overall plan on long-range re- 
search in which the right hand knows what the left hand is domg, 
so that when the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries goes to the Secre- 
tary of the Interior and suggests funds to do a particular job it 
thinks should be done, say, in your shop, they would be backed up 
by the overall plan rather than just making their effort all alone. 
This is some job when you get to departmental budgets. Scientific 
research has been the sort of thing which has been an orphan. It 
comes last. Other things have the priorities. 
I think that if there is any misconception that any kind of an over- 
all plan would take away from the departments what they should 
do, it is a wholly mistaken interpretation because we want them 
to do more. 
Dr. Ipytu. That is right. I think my written statement makes it 
perfectly clear that we are not suggesting that the Bureau of Com- 
mercial Fisheries be given less power or less money. 
The Cuarrman. They should be doing more. 
Dr. Invi. Far more. 
The Cuarrman. And we want them to do more. 
But it is a budget problem, a money problem, and they are limited - 
in what they can do because they have to do it in an isolated way. 
Dr. Ipytu. We are hopeful, Senator, that the Bureau of Commer- 
cial Fisheries will have some sort of branch equivalent to the old 
ONR, perhaps, where it is the stated policy of the organization to 
make long-term grants as opposed to short-term contracts, and that 
this not be so arranged that it results in less work being done by the 
Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, but on the contrary that it supple- 
ment their work. 
In conclusion, sir, we are very pleased indeed with the genuine 
intent of the bill, and it has the support of our institution, and we 
wish it every success. 
The Cuatrman. Thank you very much. 
Are there any further questions? 
Senator Smatuers. No, thank you. 
The CHatrman. Dr. Chapman? 
We will hear from Dr. Chapman, and then, if it is agreeable, and 
doesn’t inconvenience the witnesses too much, we will meet at 9:30 
tomorrow morning, and we can probably hear other witnesses. This 
is unavoidable. 
