MARINE SCIENCE 33 
STATEMENT OF DR. W. M. CHAPMAN, DIRECTOR, THE RESOURCES 
COMMITTER, SAN DIEGO, CALIF. 
Dr. Coapman. Mr. Chairman, in the interests of saving your time 
I will read some parts of the statement, skip over others, talk on some 
parts, and ask for the statement, with the four appendixes, to be put in 
the record if that is permissible. 
The CHarrman. I want to say that the chairman is quite familiar 
with your ideas on this subject. You can direct your statements to 
the Senator from Florida, and I will corroborate them. 
Dr. Cuapman. My name is W. M. Chapman. I am director of the 
Resources Committee, 1 Tuna Lane, San Diego, Calif. I am here 
representing views from the southern California fishing and fish- 
processing industry with respect to the Marine Sciences and Research 
Act of 1961, S. 901. 
Although our industry is situated and headquartered in southern 
California, units of it operate over a considerable section of the world 
oceans and are situated in several countries located on four continents 
and in Oceania. 
Tuna fishing vessels from southern California operate regularly in 
the eastern Pacific, in season, from the State of Oregon on the north to 
northern Chile on the south, around the offshore islands in this area— 
Revillagigedos, Clipperton, Cocos, and Galapagos—and to distances 
500 miles or more off the coast. We have several vessels presently 
working with the Russians off the west coast of Africa, trying to make 
a go of things. 
The Cuairman. What are the Russians doing in west Africa? 
Dr. Cuapman. We are catching tuna and trying to make a living. 
The Russians are catching sardines, and what else we don’t know. 
They have a good deal of electronic equipment aboard their boats, 
much more than we have, and we haven’t seen it all. 
We are in the process of expansion. As the Senator will remember, 
for years we went downhill sharply. We have vessels now being 
prepared to enter the fleet with as much as a thousand tons’ carrying 
capacity. I might say that these are vessels out of the mothball fleet 
that are being brought out and refitted as fishing vessels, and I think 
that they will be considerably the largest and longest lived fishing 
vessels that the United States has had since the whaling days. 
Our companies operate in a large number of countries around the 
world. They accept fish from vessels of many countries. I men- 
tioned the details of our operation to indicate why our views respect- 
ing ocean research are so wide. We are not just interested in the 
coast of California, but we are worldwide in our interest, and almost 
as catholic in our views as you are, sir. I want to treat briefly these 
interests in three segments. 
The Cuatrman. Doctor, you have a good statement here. This is 
something that we Senators can use. You say, “We believe the Na- 
tion’s interest is as boundless as the sea itself.” 
Dr. Coarman. That is our belief. We have every reason to think 
that that is true. 
We favor strongly the adoption of the bill exactly as it stands. We 
would also favor the adoption of the bill if its details were consider- 
ably amended so long as those amendments do not limit the breadth 
