78 MARINE SCIENCE 
Dr. Reveiitz. I am appearing today as the representative of the 
Committee on Oceanography of the National Academy of Science. 
Some of the other members and associates of this committee are also 
here this morning, and they will discuss some of the new features 
of the Magnuson bill as oceanographers have come to call the Marine 
Science and Research Act. 
Dr. Ewing, of the Lamont Geological Observatory, will tell about 
the need for long-term laboratory support. 
Dr. Ray, of the University of Washington, will discuss some of the 
medical aspects of oceanography. Jim Snodgrass, of the Scripps 
Institution, and Allyn Vine, of Woods Hole, will talk about instru- 
ments and new devices. 
Dr. Schaefer, of the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission, 
will review some of our recommendations on research needed to develop 
the living resources of the sea. 
I shall talk about three aspects of the national program in ocea- 
nography : the needs for laboratory facilities; education and training; 
and for coordination, sustained growth, and leadership. 
A. Laboratory facilities: Recently, the members of the Committee 
on Oceanography reviewed chapter 1 of their report, “Oceanography 
1960-70.” This report was first published a little over 2 years ago. 
In making this review, we discovered that we had underestimated the 
total funds necessary for shore facilities for oceanographic research. 
Our 10-year estimate of capital costs for basic research laboratories of 
$16,500,000 was tied to the proposed construction of new research 
ships, and the consequent need to build additional shore laboratories 
to accommodate the additional personnel, scientific personnel, who 
would use those ships. 
The Cuatrman. How many ships does Scripps operate? 
Dr. Reverie. We now operate eight ships. 
The Cuairman. And how many belong to the Institute and how 
many are loaned or under charter or some other arrangement ? 
Dr. Revertz. Four of the ships we operate belong to the Federal 
Government. These include the big ship Argo, which is about 2,000 
tons, and which is just returning from a voyage, from an expedition 
to the Indian Ocean; the Spencer F. Baird which is a ship of about 
700 tons, and which has been used to cover a very large part of the 
Pacific during the last 8 or 9 years; the Paolina T, which is a converted 
purse seiner bought by the Bureau of Ships; and an Army T-boat, 
a little 65-foot cargo carrier built by the Army during the war. 
The Cuarrman. We can put that in the record, but the point I want 
to make is what is the newest one of these ships? How old is the 
newest one? 
Dr. Ruvette. The newest one is 20 years old. 
The Cuatrman. The newest one is 20 years old? 
Dr. Revettz. Maybe not quite 20. About 18 years old, in terms 
of when it was built. Of course, they have all been modified and 
converted. The oldest one is about 25 or 26 years old. 
The Cuatrman. You are generally familiar, as I am, with some of 
the Russian ships. 
Dr. Revere. Yes. 
The Cuairman. There is no comparison ? 
