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Dr. Reveiie. The Russian ships, the big ones, the ocean-going ones, 
high seas, blue water ones, are in general much bigger than ours. 
The CHatrman. And modern. 
Dr. Reverie. Some of them are modern, some are not. The Vityas 
is an old conversion. 
The Cuatrman. Even on the converted ones, I can tell the com- 
mittee, the equipment is modern. 
Dr. Reveiir. That is true of ours, too, sir. Ours are much smaller 
than the Russian ships. We are not convinced that we need ships as 
large as the Russians. They do things on a very large scale. 
Senator Ene. I was out last year in a ship operated by Captain 
Hancock. Are you familiar with his operation ? 
Dr. Reve.iz. Yes. 
Senator Enerr. How is that correlated with other oceanography 
work such as done by the Scripps Institute, if it is? 
Dr. Revetie. The ship that you are referring to was the Bowler 
A-4, of the Hancock Foundation of the University of Southern Cali- 
fornia. 
Senator Enexr. That is correct. 
Dr. Revetie. It is a ship used primarily in coastal waters off the 
California coast. It has done some very good work there. Occa- 
sionally it goes off to the Lower California coast and into the Gulf 
of California. Ships of the Scripps Institution, like the Lamont Geo- 
logical Observatory and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, 
while it does a good deal of coastal work, are primarily concerned with 
exploration of the oceans as a whole. This is why we operate such a 
big ship as the Argo, and these fairly big ones, converted tugs. This 
really illustrates the point, Senator, that we are dealing with a very 
complicated part of the earth which requires different kinds of facili- 
ties, different kinds of operations, and even in some sense different 
kinds of people to study different parts of it. 
Is this a reasonable answer to your question ? 
Senator Ener. I got the impression that Captain Hancock’s op- 
eration was primarily in surveying in areas close to the shoreline. 
Dr. Revettr. That is correct. 
Senator Enexr. He did have equipment on there to take samples off 
the bottom. In fact, he did that while I was out with him. What I 
was trying to determine is how you keep from overlapping or dupli- 
cating in this type of work. Is there any correlation any place? 
Dr. Revetin. There is a great deal of correlation. Science oper- 
ates by people talking to each other. In the case of the Hancock 
Foundation, for example, we are continually in communication with 
them; we are with individual scientists on their staff. We don’t try 
to coordinate our work at the level of the directorate, but rather at 
the level of the individual research problems and research projects. 
To worry about duplication under these circumstances is to worry 
about something which really doesn’t exist, which can’t exist, which 
couldn’t exist for many years to come, because there is so much to do. 
Every time you go to sea you find out a lot of things that nobody 
ever knew before. The interest of the people at the two places differs 
sufficiently, and their ways of working differ sufficiently so that we 
don’t have overlaps. What we have are great holes in our knowledge 
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