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responsibility for the review, planning, coordination, and so on and 
_ so forth? 
Dr. Revetiz. I am not sure that I would, Senator. 
The Cuarrman. Give us your ideas. 
May I suggest this: You have called attention to two or three al- 
ternatives or possibilities. There is the suggestion which has been 
made that this might be done by the establishment of something 
similar to what we did last year in the Appropriations Committee, 
take steps to set up a National Center for Atmospheric Research. 
That is another alternative suggestion. 
Dr. Revetie. Yes, that is right. So we really have four sugges- 
tions, including the three that I have listed here. 
I would personally reject the national institution and the reason 
is simply—there are several reasons—one being that national institu- 
tions already exist in the form of Woods Hole, Lamont, the Scripps 
Institute, and many smaller laboratories. 
Secondly, a national research institution, apart from universities, 
just is not a very effective way to do the job of research. 
Third, of course, is that we have right now many effective groups 
within the Government which are doing both research and surveys, 
and what is needed is coordination of their work and strengthening 
of their work. 
The Cuatrman. This has got to be a part of any plan that we have, 
the correlation of agencies, regardless of the plan we have. 
Dr. Revetie. That is right. 
The Cuaitrman. In beefing that up, I want to get away from govern- 
ment in the thing, so that we would have some outside input. Dan 
Markel made a study, and we have found that probably the most suc- 
cessful such project as this has been in England, for instance, where 
the Government and outside groups work together in a sort of com- 
mittee. 
Dr. Revenix. Yes; this is certainly a possibility. At the present 
time coordination has been quite effective. 
The Cuairman. No one is complaining about it. It has been good. 
Dr. Revetizn. The way it works is this: Under the Federal Council 
on Science and Technology, which as you know was established by 
Executive order, there is an Interagency Committee on Oceanography 
which is made up entirely of representatives of the different (omer 
ment departments. And this Interagency Committee is in continuous 
communication with the National Academy of Science, the Commit- 
tee on Oceanography. Several representatives of that Committee 
meet with the National Academy Committee and I think that at least 
on a limited level the reverse is also true, that representatives of the 
National Academy Committee meet with the Interagency Committee. 
The Cuatrman. Yes, they could meet with them and have complete 
coordination with them. I think one of the problems is whether they 
should be separate, the interagency be separate or put together. 
Dr. Reverie. Or at least be closely interlocked. 
The Cuarrman. Or interlocked in some way. I think the whole sit- 
uation indicates some kind of interlocking, but dealing with Govern- 
ment agencies and only Government agencies alone has some serious 
complications, too, because some agencies have a tendency to stay by 
themselves, and then their budgetary problems became serious. 
