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The Cuarrman. Nobody wants to bypass the Budget, but if we are 
going to embark on a program of oceanography, it ought to stand on 
its own feet with the Bureau of the Budget, with whatever depart- 
ment is participating. But the way it is now, even though we have 
moved ahead a great deal, it just can’t stand on its own feet. 
If anybody in this room who has never been mixed up in this thinks 
it can, they are mistaken. It gets involved in everything else in that 
department, and usually its priority is pretty low. 
Dr. Reverie. It doesn’t give it any immediate benefit. It is long 
range. 
The Cuairman. That is correct. Usually they will say this can 
wait, and maybe something will happen accidentally. 
Dr. Reveiis. I think the only recommendation that I would be will- 
ing to make is a very wishy-washy one, and this is simply because I 
just don’t know enough about it; it isnot my business. 
I think it is quite important that coordination should be developed ; 
I think it is important that a way be found, as you say, for the ocean- 
ographic work to stand on its own feet and not to be confused with 
other priorities. 
I would lke to suggest very respectfully that maybe you have access 
to some experts in this field, perhaps the Library of Congress Legisla- 
tive Reference Service, that might make a careful study of all of the 
possible ways of doing it and what would be the consequences. 
The Cuairman. They could start with a director of oceanography 
and give him full power, and then the program would be going. 
Or you could start on the other extreme and suggest a broad pro- 
gram, and let every agency handle it by themselves. I am speaking of 
their budgetary problems, not coordination or exchange of informa- 
tion. 
Dr. Revettz. Then it falls between the various schools. 
The Cuarrman. That would put it way back, and we would be back 
5 years from now wondering why we had not moved ahead. But 
someplace in between is the type of thing we want, I think. 
Dr. Revettz. That is correct. I think all the oceanographers would 
be agreed that there are two things that they don’t want, that they 
don’t really think are desirable. One is a bureau, a director, as you 
say, who handles all the oceanographic work; and the other is a na- 
tional institution such as set up in the atmospheric sciences. 
The Cuamrman. Nobody wants to be directed to do these things, but 
you have to have some sort of coordinating unit or group or board 
or advisory body, so that when it is decided that this is the sort of 
thing we want to do with research or with the facilities or grants, 
whatever it may be, that it can help them proceed with it and get 
going. 
Dr. Revettz. I think it has to be done in the context of a knowl- 
edge of what a study of the ocean means. 
The CHatrman. Those are things that I think we can work out. 
There may be some trial and error involved here, which is true of all 
of these things. 
Dr. Rrvetiz. There has been a lot of criticism, I think, of the fact 
that the National Academy Committee has proposed what seem like 
relatively large expenditures in what seems like a relatively small: 
science. People say that this is only one of many sciences: What 
