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notlimg away from that of course, but I think we who have studied 

 this to a certain extent at least see the importance of early action on 

 the part of the Government. I suspect that it won't take too much 

 help from Government to bring private industry right in behind. 



I have talked with many people who are with companies that aren't 

 doing a thing now on the oceans, but who have a great desire to do so, 

 who see a chance to make a profit by those operations. Of course to 

 the best of our ability we want to foster that desire. 



Mr. Casey. One thing the Senator touched on which I am somewhat 

 familiar with is the amount of scientific data and information avail- 

 able from private industry, say in the oil business. My own home- 

 toAvn of Houston has some very excellent exploration companies that 

 are in that field all the time, as well as Dow Chemical, which is just 

 outside of Houston and has done a fine job in extracting minerals 

 from sea water. 



Senator Bartlett. Dow has done a tremendous job. 



INIr. Casey. They have done a terrific job and without any sub- 

 stantial, that I can think of, Government help. Their interest has 

 been purely a profit motive, and if that one company can flourish as 

 well as it has on its own, no telling what we could accomplish with a 

 little stimulus from governmental interests. 



Senator, do you have a companion bill introduced by a House Mem- 

 ber that is before us ? 



Senator Bartlett. Yes. Congressman Kivers of Alaska has one 

 and Congressman Keith. 



INIr, Casey. I thouglit that might ha the bill and I have been glanc- 

 ing through it. I notice that you have approached it like we have 

 approached it in the past, that you would establish a commission. 

 "\^^ien we tried to write one according to the desires or according to 

 what we were told by the executive departments and scientific advisers, 

 they didn't want anything compulsory. They wanted us to turn all 

 the "shalls" to "may" and wanted to leave it all at their broad 

 discretion. 



I am inclined to agree with you that the bills that have been intro- 

 duced this session indicate that some of the Members of the Congress, 

 myself included, are getting a little impatient and we better stick 

 these "shalls" back in and definitely create an organization and insist 

 that some type of organization bring this together, and I am with you. 



I appreciate the attitude you are taking. You are not interested 

 in any particular pride of authorship, just so you get somebody 



Senator Bartlett. Get going. 



]\Ir. Casey. Or some organization to bring it together and get going, 

 and I commend the Senator for his attitude and you can rest assured 

 that you have my wholehearted support in your endeavor. 



Senator Bartlett. I thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Pelly? 



Mr. Pelly. Senator, I thmk I greet you maybe more warmly than 

 anyone else of this committee because you and I have such a com- 

 mmiity of interest out in the Pacific Northwest. I have admired your 

 contribution to oceanography and fisheries and certainly, while oc- 

 casionally you and I might have a dijfference, we are just like mem- 

 bers of the same family; we quarrel 



Senator Bartlett. I can't remember when one last occurred. 



