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Mr. Pelly. Not a formal treaty. 



Senator Bartlett. But an understanding, wliicli, by the way, they 

 have lived up to very well. But the evidence is very strong that the 

 Fishery Convention will have enough signatures to become effective 

 next year. 



Mr. Pelly. This would then compel the Soviet Union for one to 

 recognize our rights in the Continental Shelf, would it ? 



Senator Bartlett. "Well, I don't know whether it would or not. 



You and I recall so well the determination of the United States 

 that the king crab was a creature of the Continental Shelf within the 

 meaning of the convention and the Japanese, who had not signed that, 

 said, no, it didn't bind them at all. 



This is speculative. 



Mr. Pelly. I was coming to that and going to ask you whether you 

 knew if the Japanese had signed the 1958 Fishery and Continental 

 Shelf Convention. 



Senator Bartlett. They have signed neither, Mr. Foster informs 

 me, and they reject altogether our contention that the king crab, so 

 important on the Continental Shelf off' Alaska, is a creature of that 

 shelf within the meaning of the treaty. 



However, despite their failure to adhere to the treaty they have 

 refrained from taking king crab in the areas that are in question. 



Mr. Pelly. We have real international problems as far as oceanog- 

 raphy and the resources of the sea go. I think you have gone to many 

 of the various international meetings and are on your way maybe to 

 helping solve some of these problems. 



Certainly I think it might be helpful if we passed some legislation 

 and had all agencies of our Government working toward this solution. 



Senator Bartlett. I think it becomes more understandable why we 

 have so many difficulties in these negotiations with foreign nations 

 where our viewpoints differ so radically when we appreciate how much 

 trouble we in this country have in agreeing upon the proper approach 

 to oceanography. 



Mr. Pelly. I commend you for your verj" complete statement and 

 T am going to take it back to my office and read it over again because 

 I think it has a lot of information that many of us should have here. 



It covers a wide field and I think it is a great addition to the record 

 that is being made at this time. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Bartlett. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Rogers. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator, I too share the feelings of my colleagues of appreciation 

 for your being here and the testimony you have given us. I also share 

 your feeling that the Congress is going to have to do something in 

 this field and that we just can't wait for proposals to come from the 

 administration. 



If past action is any guide I would think that we are going to have 

 to be more forceful than we have ever been before and I think your 

 testimony certainly has been helpful in pointing up the problem. 



It is my hope from the hearings that we are having and the Senate 

 has concluded that we can go into this entire problem and come out 

 with a proposed solution of at least getting started to doing something 



