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in this field and if, as I anticipate, although I hope not, the govern- 

 mental agencies that we have called upon to comment on legislation 

 and activity in this field come up and say, "Well, we don't think we 

 ought to do. We are going to do an in-house study or we are going 

 to do something ourselves," then I think we had better get together, 

 some of the members of this committee and the Senate, and go over 

 and see the President ourselves and let him know how strongly we feel 

 about this matter. 



I want to know how you feel about this matter. 



Senator Bartlett. Congressman Rogers, I will sum up m}^ feeling 

 by saying I applaud your sentiment and your intention. 



Mr. Rogers. I am glad to know that and I did feel with your strong 

 interest in this field that we could count on your cooperation, and if 

 we can get the House together here and if necessary call on the Presi- 

 dent ourselves after we come together on an understanding of what 

 we thhik should be done, I think this must be necessary if we get the 

 response from the governmental agencies that we have had in the 

 past. 



Senator Bartlett. It is important enough to do just that. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Leistnon. Mr. Tupper ? 



Mr. Tupper. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Bartlett, I would like to join my colleagues in commending 

 you for a most constructive statement. My State of Maine shares 

 many common problems with the State of Alaska in fishery matters 

 despite the distance between those two States. It is my recollection 

 that the Continental Shelf Convention specifically includes the rights 

 to sedentary species and those species that depend upon constant con- 

 tact with the ocean floor. 



Wouldn't you say. Senator, that this most certainly should include 

 all species of crabs and probably all species of lobster ? 



Senator Bartlett. I hope it can be done. 



Mr. Tupper. Thank you. I have no other questions, Mr. Chairman. 



Senator Bartlett. I certainly hope so because I think that this is 

 our resource and we should use it. 



Mr. Lennon. Senator, would you comment on that. Are you in a 

 position to spell out categorically the implementations of the Conti- 

 nental Shelf Convention with respect to the respective countries rights 

 to the assets or the resources on the ocean floor or floor level. 



Senator Bartlett. No, I most assuredly am not, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. That has been signed you say. 



Senator Bartlett. Yes, but all the determinations will be arrived 

 at from evidence produced by scientists. I am not such and so I 

 couldn't answer Congressman Tupper very authoritatively. To date 

 our biologists, and the Russians agree with this, have determined to 

 their own satisfaction that the king crab does come within this cate- 

 gory. It may be that later a similar decision will be made with respect 

 to the lobster. 



I don't know, and so I am not the best witness on this subject. 



Mr. Tupper. Mr. Chairman, if the Chair will yield on this mat- 

 ter 



Mr, Lennox. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Tupper (continuing) , It is again my recollection that this Con- 

 tinental Shelf Convention, and also a bill passed by the Congress last 



