NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 133 



Mr. Reinecke. Do you feel that it is possible for these agencies to 

 cooperate, bureaucrats being what they are ? 



Senator Bartlett. I can only express a hope. 



Mr. Reinecke. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Drewry, you have a question or two for the Sen- 

 ator? 



Mr. Dre^^try. Senator, one of the big criticisms about some of the 

 earlier concepts for bringing oceanography into a single agency was 

 that you would be stripping out the scientific or research functions 

 from, let's say, the promotional and thus creatmg more problems than 

 you solved. 



For example, the Coast and Geodetic Survey has to do seismological 

 work in the oceans and on land and to separate those similar types of 

 functions would be more a matter of duplication than really of con- 

 solidation. 



Do I understand that what you have in mind in your present ap- 

 proach is somewhat similar, let's say, to tliis new ESSA, which was 

 created by the marriage of the Coast and Geodetic Survey to the 

 Weather Bureau. Or is it similar to the Muskie approach to bring 

 the functions of existing agencies, so far as they have functions either 

 scientific or promotional, into your new agency ? Or is it again going 

 to be a sexDaration of functions ? 



Senator Baetlett. My idea at the time of the introduction of tliis 

 bill, although I couldn't have foreseen it then specifically, was more 

 the ESSA concept. These two Bureaus, Weather Bureau and Coast 

 and Geodetic Survey, have been, as you put it so aptly, married, and 

 although the honeymoon is some weeks old now, I don't think there 

 has been a spat between the couple and it seems to be working out 

 perfectly well. 



I would see no difficulty at all in respect to an agency such as Coast 

 and Geodetic Survey. 



Mr. Drewry. Would you bring, for instance, the fisheries in toto, 

 their research, experimental fishing, as well as their marketing func- 

 tions, and promotional functions into the same agency, or would you 

 leave X3art of them out ? 



Senator Bartlett. The number and the complexity of the functions 

 involved would probably make it undesirable, at least at the outset, 

 to shift them in toto to a new agency. I don't propose that. 



Mr. Drewry. That is all I have, Mr, ChaiiTnan. Thank you. Sena- 

 tor. 



Mr. Lennoist. Senator, are you familiar with S. 944 that was intro- 

 duced by Senator Magnuson on February 1, 1965, which did provide 

 for expanded research of the oceans and Great Lakes and establish- 

 ment of a National Oceanograpliic Council and for other purposes ? 



Senator Bartlett. Yes. I think that was the bill that was reported 

 out by the conunittee and passed. 



Mr. Lennon. That was similar to S. 2990 in the 88th Congress but 

 it did expand the scope. That bill has not passed the Senate yet, has 

 it? 



Senator Bartlett. Yes, I think that it did pass the Senate. 



Mr. Lenxon. How recently ? 



Senator Bartlett. Oh, a couple of weeks ago. I am in error once 

 more. It has just been reported. It hasn't passed. 



