160 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Lennon. I am delighted to have you. I don't know what 

 questions might be asked of you, but we are delighted that you are 

 here this morning. 



Mr. Casey, since the gentleman from Florida, Mr, Fascell, spoke for 

 5654, and Mr. Huot of New Hampshire spoke for the identical bill, 

 7798, which, of course, is identical, that is, Mr. Huot's bill is identical, 

 to the Senate bill, S. 994, which has been reported out of the Senate 

 Committee on Commerce with amendments, I wonder if there are 

 any questions that you desire to ask Mr. Huot or the gentleman sitting 

 with him? 



Mr. Casey. Well, I presume your bill also takes into consideration 

 research grants or educational institutions. 



Mr. Huot. Yes ; it does, sir. 



Mr. Casey. As Mr. Fascell points out that his did. Is that correct ? 



Mr. Huot. That is correct. 



Mr. Casey. Well, I am quite interested in that phase of it. I know 

 that we have followed a program in the space program of research 

 grants to develop new talent and to further the resources of the uni- 

 versities in this field of space, and I think we are going to have to do 

 the same thing in oceanography. 



Now, I have noticed that most of us have, and I have been guilty of 

 it, too, been kind of — but I noticed that you were very careful to say 

 that you were not being critical of the agencies, but a lot of us are prone 

 to say that since we are a little disorganized, the agencies aren't doing 

 a good job. Frankly, I think that the agencies are probably doing 

 a better job than most of us realize because there is a lack of coordina- 

 tion and a lack of communication. 



Now, it is true that the Inter- Agency Office of Oceanography does 

 put out a report, quite frequently, but, of course, it is limited, and it 

 is limited in its distribution, and I don't believe it quite shows what the 

 various agencies are doing and, of course, another thing I want every- 

 body to understand is our chairman and his predecessor have been 

 quite vigorous in trying to accomplish the very thing that we are 

 holding hearings on again here today. And I think that some of the 

 progress that has been made in due to the diligence of this committee 

 under the leadership of the present chainnan. 



The Navy has instituted a Data Center on Oceanography, which 

 was, in my opinion, a great step forward to try to create a central 

 information center, and they endeavored to make this a center avail- 

 able to all agencies, as far as that is concerned, that are interested in 

 oceanography. 



Are you familiar with ony of the — I do not believe it is your state- 

 ment, but someone mentioned there were just a few universities and 

 institutions in oceanography, but I just wonder if that is as well 

 known as it should be. 



Mr. Huot. I don't believe it is, but I do think that we need to develop 

 people in this field of oceanogi-aphy, and I might say that perhaps in 

 introducing this bill, this companion bill, I do liave some selfish 

 motives. 



We have districts that we are concerned with and, as your map 

 indicates over there, the east coast, the Continental Shelf, we have 

 our share of it, and we have fine facilities off our shore so that we would 

 hope to share in any expansion, because we feel that our area is very 



