162 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



I am sorry I missed most of your testimony. But I would like to fol- 

 low up Judge Casey's question. 



I had an interesting conversation this morning with Dr. William 

 Hargiss, director of the Virginia Marine Institute, and he was con- 

 cerned that perhaps not enough attention is being directed to the State- 

 oriented phases of oceanography. As of this time, perhaps 30 to 40 

 percent of the effort is in State jurisdiction, and he was hopeful that 

 any program such as you are contemplating would be careful to make 

 use of the progress that the State has made, and incorporate them in 

 the overall program. And I assume that you would agree with that. 



Mr. HuoT. Well, yes, because I think that many States have an 

 interest. Some States might be interested more than other States 

 because of the facilities that they might have. If a Council is estab- 

 lished, we would certainly hope that it would encourage and assist 

 the efforts made by the individual States as well as the effort made 

 at the Federal level. 



The Council would also know the facilities that are available in 

 each State, for instance, what the coast comprises, and its facilities, 

 and depth, and what research could be done to the best advantage in 

 what area of the country. Whereas, now, I don't think that we have 

 that pooling and coordinating that we should have, but certainly the 

 States individually would have an interest, depending on their facil- 

 ities or coastlines. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you very much, sir. 



Mr. Htjot. Thank you. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you, Mr. Cliairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Any other questions, Mr. Downing? 



Mr. Downing. No ; thank you, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Ashley ? 



Mr. Ashley. No questions ; thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Dow? 



Mr. Dow. As a freshman Congressman, I would like to say that I 

 have valued my association with the distinguished gentleman from 

 New Hampshire, who is also a freshman here, and I am sorry I didn't 

 hear his testimony yesterday. I have high regard for him, and I am 

 going to follow very closely his advice on this question of oceanog- 

 raphy. 



I have had some experience with oceanography in this country, and, 

 in my opinion, it is quite hit or miss at the present time. It deserves 

 to be pulled together, and I want to join with all the Congressmen like 

 Congressman Huot who have that objective in mind. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. HuoT. Thank you very much, Mr. Dow. I am happy to share 

 by inexperience in Congress with you. 



Mr. Lennon. Any other questions ? 



Mr. Dow. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Dow. 



Congressman, your bill established in the Executive OiRce of the 

 President a National Oceanographic Council, designates the Vice 

 President as the Chairman, and then names what would amount, to 

 the Cabinet, all Cabinet-level officials. That is true, is it not ? 



Mr. HuoT. Yes, it is, sir. 



