164 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



date for the expiration of that, section 9 of the Senate bill, as amended. 

 Section 9 provides : 



The provision of this Act shall expire at the termination of June 30, 1970. 



Now, have you had an opportunity, and I commend you, Mr. Dow 

 said something about being a freshman member, and I vv^as very much 

 impressed by his intense interest in this and otlier matters, and I want 

 to commend you, and somebody said you were a freshman member. 



Mr. HuoT. Yes; I am. 



Mr. Lennon. I don't believe it. I think it is wonderful that you 

 jumped in so quickly and established yourself so well in this field. 



Have you had any opportunity to compare your legislation with 

 the legislation that was introduced by Mr. Bonner, the chairman of 

 the Merchant Marine and Fisheries Subcommittee, 3352, the identical 

 bill introduced by Mr. Pelly, of Washington, 3310, and another identi- 

 cal bill, 2218, introduced by myself? 



Have you had an opportunity to compare your bill with the three 

 bills that I have just mentioned? 



Mr. HuoT. No, I haven't, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. All right. 



In general, in reading your bill, and Mr. Fascell's bill, and hearing 

 this discussion on the Senate bill, it looks like the objective is some- 

 what the same, but your bill and the Senate bill require the President 

 to establish this Council, whereas the bills that I last mentioned by 

 numbers are on an authorization basis. The President is authorized 

 to do it and is not required to do it by statute. 



Do you have any questions, Mr. Drewry, counsel for the committee ? 



Mr. Reinecke. Thank you. 



I apologize for being late, and perhaps the question has been asked, 

 but I have been wondering, the basic structure of the Council, as I 

 understand, that you propose, would be to have the Secretaries, or their 

 appointees, of the various departments 



Mr. HuoT. Well, the bill calls for a staff, also, which would, of 

 course, carry the brunt of this. The Cabinet members being a part of 

 it is more of a liaison, I would say and, of course, we know very well 

 these Cabinet members individually will not attend the Council meet- 

 ings, or that sort of thing. This will be handled by the staff, but it 

 was in order to keep all these departments informed, that they would 

 be part of the makeup of the Council. I am sure that they would be 

 represented. 



Mr. Reinecke. What I am getting at is that the Inter- Agency 

 Committee on Oceanography at the present time is represented by 

 various appointees from the various departments, and Cabinet level 

 members, and I just wonder what you envision as being the basic 

 difference between the ICO and the Council which you propose. 



Mr. HuoT. I am not sure that I am familiar enough with the com- 

 plete setup, Mr. Reinecke, to answer your question, except that the 

 ICO does not have the scope that this Council would have over all de- 

 partments of the Goverimient that have any interest or any workings 

 m oceanography. I think this would be an all-encompassing council, 

 which would have some, not necessarily control, but coordinating 

 jurisdiction over all of the agencies, including the ICO. 



Mr. Reinecke. As you probably know, ICO includes representa- 

 tives from Defense, Commerce, Interior, Treasury, National Science 



