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imaginative thinking in order to get around that, and I think the 

 chairman has suggested what will probably be a more practical ap- 

 proach, or one maybe that is a step just before that, such as Mr. Eogers' 

 bill envisions, and I have introduced a companion bill on that, to indi- 

 cate that we are going to have to start inoving toward the business of 

 bringing this all together in some way in which we can see what is 

 going on, and that people aren't knocking each other down. 



We are going to try to start to put new money in. It is one thing 

 when everybody is kind of going quietly along at a dingdong x^ace, but 

 it is another thing when we begin to excite our interest and decide we 

 are going to really get behind this with a substantial amount of dollars 

 and, Mr. Pelly, your point is well taken. 



Mr. Pelly. Well, we have to satisfy the executive branch in legisla- 

 tion, and I am glad to know that you would support that approach. 



Mr, Haistna. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Felly. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Rogers? 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Well, I think it is good for all of us to have heard your statement. I 

 think you have shown a great deal of effort in bringing this problem 

 in the proper focus. 



I thought your analogy was good, of going out into the West, and 

 this a great new field, and, unfortunately, the people that have been 

 in the field, it seems to me, in the executive department — and I hope 

 this won't be true in their testimony — have shown a lack of vision, 

 and/or a holding of the status quo, and I am not so much concerned 

 with pleasing the executive branch right now as for the Congress to 

 do something, and I think if we can get to the President and explain 

 the concern of the Congress, I have confidence that the President 

 will be concerned, too, and will act. 



Mr. Hanna. Mr. Rogers and Mr. Chairman, the point that the 

 gentleman makes has always affected me this way : I have found that 

 we are moving out of an era when the science at the stage it was when 

 I was going to school indicated a man had to be a specialist, and so 

 we made a lot of specialists, and there were so many things to be done, 

 we had what was called a division of labor, and so everybody found 

 their particular niche, and the problem of that was we developed a 

 whale of a lot of tunnel vision. People got to dividing the world into 

 little segments, and the people withm those segments thought that 

 when they looked at the sky from the well they were sitting in, that is 

 all the sky there was; or if they sat long enough, all the sky would 

 certainly go by. And it just isn't so, and I think it is very dangerous 

 in a field such as we are exploring here if we are going to try to satisfy 

 everybody sitting in their particular well with their particu.lar tunnel 

 vision, and I think that is exactly what the gentleman is pointing out, 

 and I certainly agree with that thinking. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Reinecke? 



Mr, Reinecke. Thank you. 



I am happy to welcome my California colleague, and to congratulate 

 him on a fine statement. Obviously, he has done his homework very, 

 very well. 



