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the Mediterranean, and we could not get our ships in there. But it 

 is a problem that has got to be gone into. 



Mr. Hanna. I have, and if the chairman has no objection, I have 

 asked for the Library of Congress to give me a digest of the interna- 

 tional treaties on ownership of oceanic resources and the Federal 

 legislation pertaining to that. It has a very interesting bit of material 

 about the Continental Shelves, and how they are being affected by 

 international law. I would be glad to submit it for the record, or for 

 the staff. 



Mr. Lennon. Without objection, then, it should be made a part 

 of your statement, following the conclusion of you statement. 



Mr. Hanna, I would like to hear you comment on the comments of 

 Dr. Hornig, Director of the Office of Science and Technology of 

 the President, who has asked to comment on your bill, and the bill that 

 perhaps Mr. Kogers introduced a little bit ahead of yours. 



He sayg : 



The functions of the proposed Commission are essentially the same as those 

 of the President's Science Advisory Committee Panel on Oceanography that has 

 been charged with recommending improved oceanographic program in terms of 

 scientific merit, effectiveness, and technological application and scientific 

 engineering leadership. 



Then he goes on. 



And that was dated July 6, 1965. 



I am reminded that he was asked to comment on H.R. 5654, a bill 

 introduced fairly early in the session. A letter was received from 

 Dr. Hornig on May 6, 1965, and he stated then : 



A study group composed of outstanding scientists is being established under 

 the auspices of the Federal Science Advisory Committee to review these ques- 

 tions. They are also under study by the National Academy of Sciences Com- 

 mittee of Oceanography. 



I must confess my disappointment in that these panels that are now 

 giving this matter consideration to review and to make its recommen- 

 dation, which we hoped that they could do, were not set up back there 

 during the hearings that we had on this subject matter in 1959 and 

 1960 and 1961. Frankly, I was under the impression that when this 

 Ad Hoc Oceanographic Committee was formed representing all of 

 the agencies and the bureaus of the Federal Government that out of 

 that would come a special recommendation that the panel be created 

 to make the study and make the recommendation to the Congress 

 that they now say they are studying, and I frankly am inclined to 

 believe these panels have been created since the influx of these bills 

 to make these studies. 



Thank you very much. 



Mr. Hanna. Mr. Chairman, I just want to comment on that. 



I think that we have got to expect that many of these panels are 

 going to be created out of some kind of a pact for mutual protection 

 of already vested programs, and that this is aroing to happen, and, as 

 legislators, we should expect it, and I just think that you are one of 

 the prime examples, Mr. Chairman, and this committee of yours, of 

 how the legislature really provides leadership in this country and 

 does not get much credit for it, because I think that the real leadership 

 and dynamics in oceanography is emanating from this committee and 



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