196 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Lennon. We would be delighted to have you sit here with our 

 staff, since you graced us with your appearance, and we appreciate 

 your coming over from the Senate to participate in these hearings. 



Mr. Markel. Thank you very much. This is just fine. 



Mr. Lennon. You can hear all right. I want you to hear every- 

 thing that goes one here. 



Very well. Proceed. 



Mr. EoGERs. So you left the Federal Radiation Council. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. It may be a special subject, but my point is that 

 the charging of the responsibility for the nuclear aspects, it seems 

 to me, ought to reside with the fellow who has finally to make that 

 decision for the President and be responsible to the Congress and, in 

 my view, he should be given, as he is now given, all the data possible 

 on ocean currents and the diffusion of things in the ocean. 



Mr. Rogers. All right. Now, what else that you think of that needs 

 to be handled by another agency? I understand Defense. Defense 

 would still have the Navy, I presume. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I hadn't proposed to take it away from them, Mr. 

 Congressman. 



I think that the National Science Foundation should support basic 

 science that has to do with oceanography as it is now doing. 



Mr. Rogers. Would they go into physical oceanography^ 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In the basic science and the academic fraternity, 

 certainly, just as they do in meteorology, for example. 



Mr. Rogers. Ocean resources — they Avould go into ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. They would for the basic science aspect of these 

 problems, which are basic to the whole question, particularly if it 

 has to do with the development of university capabilities, particularly 

 for the education of future people to come into this field. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, now, are you going to do any basic research in 

 physical oceanography through the Commerce Department? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I think we do now, and I think we should continue 

 to do so. 



Mr. Rogers. Aren't you going to have an overlap then, and 

 duplication ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Well, this problem of overlapping research is a 

 very difficult one. I would say that if you charge an agency with 

 the responsibility, say, of ocean resources, they will do that research 

 and development that is essential to providing the future ocean re- 

 sources. They will do some research which is basic to that mission. 



I believe that there is other research which builds the scientific capa- 

 bility of the country that is logically appropriate to the National 

 Science Foundation. That kind of coordination ought to take place 

 in an activity like ICO, to insure that there is no duplication, and I 

 think, from my 



Mr. Rogers. Well, wouldn't the best way to insure that there is no 

 duplication be to put the responsibility in one place ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. You mean for all the research, let's say ? 



Mr. Rogers. Say your basic research on physical oceanography. 



Is that too impossible to do ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No. It is not impossible to do, Mr. Rogers. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, what is the point of having the diffision and the 

 splintering ? This is what I don't understand. 



