NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 197 



Dr. HoLLOMAN. All right, I will try to go to that question. 



One of the great strengths of American science today is, in my view, 

 that there are many agencies of the Government that support it. And 

 that if one agency, one activity, does not think the idea, maybe, is just 

 right, or is outside of the current stream of thinking, a man can go to 

 another agency and maybe get a hearing. In my view, if we operated a 

 system as they do, for example, in the Soviet Union, where all the 

 scientific research in the Soviet Union — and I am going to an extreme 

 now — were controlled by a single agency, it would be very difficult 

 really to introduce new ideas into the system. 



Mr. EoGERS Well, then, according to your theory, we ought to break 

 up NASA, right now, ought we not 'i 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No, sir. 



Mr. KoGERs. Well, we have got a splintering. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No, sir. Let me go to that question, if I can. 



The National Science Foundation and, for example, the Weather 

 Bureau, support a modest amount of research that has to do with satel- 

 lites. Both do, right now. For example, the Weather Bureau sup- 

 ports basic work in instrumentation that needs to go on weather satel- 

 lites, in full cooperation with NASA, but we have a very special need. 



Mr. Rogers. Where is the funding ? Where does the funding come 

 from? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. The funding comes from the Weather Bureau and 

 from the Commerce Department appropriation. 



Mr. Rogers. You don't get any moneys from NASA ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. NASA gets money for its expenditures. We don't 

 get transfer funds from NASA ; no, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. For any work you do for them ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. We don't do work for them in this case. They do 

 some work for us. We transfer some funds to NASA, but not con- 

 versely. V 



Mr. Rogers. So they are taking instruments up. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir; they take the instruments up; they help 

 develop the platforms upon which these instruments are going to be 

 placed, but, for example, the job of the basic interpretation of the re- 

 sults of satellite explorations of the weather, which is really some basic 

 research, is supported and directed by the Weather Bureau. 



Mr. Rogers. How about the Atomic Energy Commission? Would 

 you split it up ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In which field, sir ? 



Mr. Rogers. In its field. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. You think it is good to have it all in one agency ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. All of what ? 



Mr. Rogers. All of its activities, on development of atomic energy. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I think that is a reasonable thing to do; yes, sir. 

 But the basic research in nuclear physics is supported by the National 

 Science Foundation. 



Mr. Rogers. But the basic atomic energy research is done there, is 

 it not? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. That which is specifically related to the mission of 

 nuclear weapons or to the development of nuclear power. That is 

 right. 



