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many places in the Congress, for example, could be helped by such 

 an overall look once a year. 



Mr. Reinecke. Don't you feel it is rather diflEicult to really look 

 at something that is being carried on in 22 different departments? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I don't know that that is so difficult. It depends 

 on whether Congress would have the necessary data and reviews and 

 hearings that are required. We have in the case of meterology 13 

 major departments. We present, starting 2 years ago, a single Federal 

 plan which analyzes that work from various points of view. I think 

 that could be done. 



I think that both President Kennedy and President Johnson have 

 indicated their support for oceanography, but you can't do it without 

 money. And I think that this is a decision that the Congress, itself, 

 has to make, as to that problem. I really don't see it as an organiza- 

 tional problem. This is what I am trying to say. 



Of course, we can always improve what we are doing. I think that 

 we should make every attempt to do so, but the ICO and two Assistant 

 Secretaries of the Navy who have responsibility have devoted sub- 

 stantial attention to the problem. They have a staff which may not 

 be sufficient. But both administrations have supported oceanography. 



Our own program, though it isn't a tremendous one, has increased 

 each year in a very substantial way, and will increase next year. 



Mr. Reinecke. Do you have the feeling that Congress has been 

 shorting you funds, that you have not had sufficient funds ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I have not done an analysis, but it might be useful 

 to look at the requests to the Congress overall for oceanography. 



Mr. Reinecke. I am not aware that such was the case. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I think it might be a useful thing to do. I haven't 

 done the analysis, either, but I think this committee might look at the 

 requests for all the agencies for oceanography and see what the action 

 of Congress has been with respect to them. I think this might be a 

 useful thing to take a look at. 



Mr. Reinecke. Another area of interest: You indicated that a 

 single agency 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Before going back, may I make one other comment? 



Mr. Reinecke. Surely. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. There is another aspect of this problem which I 

 think that the Congress should take account of, and that is that the 

 facilities for studying the ocean, both the institutions and the ships 

 and so forth, take a time to build. Now, for example, we have two 

 ships on the ways, ready, we hope, by fall. They were authorized 3 

 years ago. Now, it takes time. We have another ship which we are 

 just about to let the contract for — another ship for oceanographic 

 studies. This will mean we have, then, what? Five? 



Admiral Karo. We will have a total of four ships on ocean studies. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. A total of four ships on ocean studies. 



In the next few years, we will quadruple our effort to do that. I 

 would like to make the point that though we are very diffuse if you 

 have many agencies doing it, I think that in our kind of society, to 

 have that kind of multiplicity of agencies is good. I don't think there 

 is a single nation in the world that has a more effective broad-scale 

 oceanographic, ocean study program than does the United States. 



