NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 251 



Siiy, in your judgement, the description and pi'ediction of ocean- 

 ographic conditions should be the responsibility of what we now refer 

 to as ESS A? 



Dr. Hollo JVioN. Yes, sir. 



Mr, Lknnon. That is your judgment ? 



Dr. IIoLLOMON. That is my judgment. 



Mr. Lennon. Is that view shared by the other agencies of the Fed- 

 eral Government ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I think I should speak for myself, sir. 



Mr. Lennox. So, there on that No. 1 question, we have got to go 

 back 



Dr. HoLLOMON. The President stated, and I quoted in my testimony, 

 in the reorganization plan, what the statutory responsibilities of ESS A 

 are, and I stated that on page 5 of my testimony. 



Mr. Lennon. On page 5, where you quoted him on page 5, did that 

 mean exactly wdiat you said here, the description and prediction of 

 oceanographic conditions ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. That is in your judgment. 



Now we move to the No. 2 



Dr. KoLLOMON. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. The exploitation and utilization of ocean resources. 



What are your views, sir with respect to where, so far as the Federal 

 Government was concerned, the exploitation and utilization of ocean 

 resources — what agencies of the Federal Government should those be 

 lodged in, statutorily ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In my view ? And I can't, of course, speak for any- 

 body but myself. 



Mr. Lennon. That is exactly what we hope to get some day, when 

 some man can come before some committee of the Congress and speak 

 for 



Dr. HoLLOiMON. I am trying. 



Mr. Lennon. I am not quarreling, sir. I am saying how frustrated 

 we are. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I believe it should be in the Department of the In- 

 terior, sir, to answer your question. 



Mv. Lennon. In the Department of the Interior ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. But in your report, commenting on one of these bills, 

 you say that ESS A cooperates with the Department of the Interior 

 and other agencies. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Certainly. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, is that in the field of exploitation and utilization 

 or in the prediction of oceanic conditions ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In the prediction and measurement of oceanic con- 

 ditions. 



Mr. Lennon. But you say that the Department of the Interior 

 ought to have the authority to make the exploitation and to determine 

 the utilization of how that ought to be done. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Of resources ; yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. The Deparment of the Interior ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. We have, for example, now, some of their 

 people on our ships, and we think that is the way it ought to work. 



