252 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Mr. Lennon. Now, you don't know the reactions of tlie other 

 agencies to what you just recommended in your professional opinion, 

 and I have great respect for you, sir. I have learned to have it. I 

 think you are sincere in what you are thinking, and I think I almost 

 believe you know what you are talking about. 



Dr. HoLLOMAN. That is a great compliment from you, sir, I think 

 that the way to do that, in my suggestion, is ask them. 



Mr. Lennox. All right. Then you move on in, after you say that 

 speaking generally, it embraces two broad areas, and you define them 

 and discuss them; then you say that you believe each of these areas 

 would be enhanced if a single agency were to provide a focus for the 

 activity in that area. 



Dr. IToLLOMON. In each area. 



Mr. Lennon. In each area? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In each of those two areas. 



Mr. Lennon, Now let me ask you this, please, sir : In what agency 

 should there be lodged statutory authority to provide a focus for the 

 activity in the area of prediction and description of oceanic conditions ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. In ESSA, in the Department of Commerce. 



Mr, Lennon. The focus should come there? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. All right. 



Now, in what agency should the focus come in the exploitation and 

 utilization of ocean resources? 



Dr, HoLLOMON. In the Interior, sir, 



Mr. Lennon. In the Department of the Interior. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Now, I also believe, which I did not mention in my 

 testimony, but I think I made it clear in answer to questions, tliat, of 

 course, the Defense Department should retain its full responsibility of 

 doing what is necessary in the national defense, and the National Sci- 

 ence Foundation should retain its responsibility to support broadening 

 the science, particularly in the universities of America, Those are the 

 four agencies today that fund he primary oceanographic program 

 today. You really are only talking about four agencies. The rest of 

 them are very small, 



Mr, Lennon. Relatively, that is certainly true, in dollars. 



But, well, now, you go on to say that on page 4, where you continue 

 your tliought on this same subject matter, this might be done through 

 Presidential action pursuant to IT.R. 2218 if enacted. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Right. 



Mr. Lennon, Now, is there some question in your mind that this 

 focal attention on both of the facets that you have described could 

 best be done by statutory authority in the Department of Comraerce 

 and in the Department of the Interior, rather than through Presiden- 

 tial action pursuant to H.R. 2218? Now I am not asking you to be 

 critical, but vou did say, you indicated it might be done. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. I think the two sentences follow each 

 other. I say, this might be done through Presidential action pursuant 

 to H.R. 2218, if enacted, or, alternatively, additional authorizing legis- 

 lation might be desirable. That is to say that your committee may 

 want to take some action in this regard. 



Mr. Lennon, Well, now, do you think it could be best done through 

 this Presidential action pursuant to the enactment of 2218, or whether 



