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Captain Bauer. And it includes the Air Force weather service? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Yes, sir. 



Captain Bauer. Now 



Dr. HoLLOMON. It does not include classified. 



Captain Bauer. Well, I grant that. That is true. 



Mr, Lennon. Well, you gentlemen will have to explain when you are 

 getting technical, now, because we are not technical. You all are. 



Captain Bauer. Classified has to do with defense. 



Mr. Lennon. Yes; classified. Keep it out. Go ahead. 



Captain Bauer, Now, with respect to this coordinating authority, 

 you suggested today that physical oceanography should have a core 

 coordination in ESSA, It that correct ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON, Yes, sir. It should have a core program, and 

 should, in my view, coordinate that aspect of the program as well as 

 should ICO. 



Captain Bauer. And this would include our Navy operations 

 similar to your meteorological coordinations ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Those which are divided explicitly and in the public 

 domain having to do with physical oceanography, sir. 



Captain Bauer. Then where would the Office of Naval Research 

 come in supporting institutions and so on ? 



Dr. HoLLOMAN. That activity could be coordinated through that 

 agency, Basic science related to meteorology is not coordinated by 

 the Federal Coordinator, He coordinates those things that have to do 

 with the observational, prediction, and description system, and drectly 

 related to that. He does not coordinate the basic science. The basic 

 science in this case is coordinated by ICAS, which is an organization 

 very similar to ICO, which is an interdepartmental committee on 

 atmospheric sciences. 



Captain Bauer, Now, if this activity is followed through, and I 

 presume we can expect the Bureau of the Budget giving you that 

 authority, in view of your success with meteorology, what happens 

 then to the Oceanographic Office of the Navy with its preferred ship 

 routing, and so on and so forth? What happens to the ASWEP sys- 

 tem, that part of it which is not classified? Will you then be in the 

 coordinating position for that ? 



Dr, HoLLOMON, You made an assumption, sir, which I cannot make. 



Captain Bauer, You said that you wanted to have a core of coordina- 

 tion. 



Dr. HoLi.oMoisr. You said tlie Bureau of the Budget was going to 

 do this. You said the Bureau of the Budget was going to do something. 



Captain Bauer. If they do. 



Dr. HoLLOMOisr, I was speaking here as I have tried to as frankly 

 as I can, and I certainly cannot speak for the Bureau of the Budget, 

 I think that this is a mechanism which, if it proceeded as in the case 

 of meteorology, would have the operational aspects of the descrip- 

 tion, prediction of the weather coordinated by an activity not unlike 

 the Federal Meteorological Coordinator, But, mainly, what I have 

 tried to say here is that the lead responsibility should be given to 

 someone. 



Captain Bauer, Now, who is going to coordinate, Mr. Secretary, 

 ESSA? 



Dr. HoiiLOMON. The iVdministrator, 



