NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 265 



years — if tlie sdiednle as pliiuned is met^ — ■to complete (lie 80 percent of the 

 world ocean survey tliait misht be considered as that portion to be accomplished 

 by the United States if a truly international effort in this endeavor can be 

 developed through the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission. The need 

 for surveys of this type has been well documented in a series of jjublications. 

 The planning tools to carry out the surveys in an effective manner have been 

 developed in detail. There remains only the administrative decision to get on 

 with the job for the satisfying of the various immediate user requirements, and 

 for providing future generations of Americans with the basic tool for the 

 exploitntion of the world ocean for their economic growth, general well-being, 

 and their national defense. 



Mr. Rfjnecke. Do any of your researcli or other programs involve 

 the use of private industry as a means of assisting not only to collect 

 the data but as a means of contractino- to them to do the work? 



Admiral Kako. Not as to the actual field operations at the present 

 time; no, sir. But we do have contracts with institutions in certain 

 phases, as in the tidal work. We have given a grant to Scripps to 

 work out some of the basic theories, and we utilize the competence of 

 the various technical institutions when we have the funds. 



Mr. Reinecke. As far as making any of your surveys or any of 

 the ocean data is concerned, you are not trying to contract this out 

 to encourage free enterprise to get into this field ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No, but w^e do contract out all the shipbuilding, 

 of course, and we do contract out the development of special instru- 

 ments that are necessary for carrying out the survey. 



Mr. Reinecke. But not the use of any of these. 



Dr. HoLLOMOisr. But not the use of the ships. 



Mr. Reinecke. Do you contemplate that ? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. No, sir ; not at the moment. 



Mr, Reinecke. Even though there are many ships that could be 

 used for this? 



Dr. HoLLOMON. I am not so sure about that. Admiral Karo can 

 speak to the question. In knowing the difficulties we have had con- 

 structing the special oceanographic ships with the characteristics that 

 are needed in sea keeping and the instrumentation aboard, I Avould 

 doubt whether there were many ships so available, but Admiral Karo 

 may speak to the question. 



Admiral Karo. The industry, of course, is developing competency, 

 and in the future, if the funds are sufficient and we can work out a 

 modus operandi with them and be sure of the results we get, we will 

 consider that. From our operations research study, which has just 

 been completed, and the recommendations, we will redefine our opera- 

 tional program to get the maximum benefit from this study. 



Mr. Reinecke. To date, though, you have not asked any private 

 contractors to bid on such exploration? 



Admiral Karo. No, sir; for the simple reason is that we find diffi- 

 culty having enough funds to operate our own ships. 



Mr. Reinecke. Sometimes private enterprise can operate less ex- 

 pensively than the Government. 



Dr. HoLLOMON. Could I go off the record a minute ? 



Mr. Reinecke. Certainly. 



Mr. Lennon. Off the record. 



(Discussion off the record.) 



Mr. Reinecke. No further questions. 



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