2S4 NATIONAL OCEANOGR.\PHIC PROGRAZM LEGISLATION 



Dr. HoRxiG. Oh. yes. They hare clone reiy substantive things. 

 For instance, they have coordinated the ship operating schedules of 

 all of the agencies that operate oceanographic vessels, so that every- 

 one knovrs Tvhose ship is going where and when. In that way both 

 from within and without the Government, people can secure berths 

 on those ships when they have measurements to make, when another 

 agency's ships might be appropriate, or when outside people wish 

 to utilize our Government's ships. 



Mr. Casey. TNliat I mean is. ICO could not come up and say, "Well 

 ■now. we think the next thing we shotild do * * *" and pin a partic- 

 tilar project that has not been initiated. Let us say there is one — 

 ■and say. '"All right, we want so much money for this.'' Can they 

 <io that or do they do that? 



Dr. HoRxiG. The ICO assembles each year — I will be glad to give 

 YOU a copy — a booklet, in which they assemble the plans and budgetaiy 

 programs of all of the agencies. In the process of doing that, they 

 ■also describe the substance of the oceanographic programs. 



Mr. Casey. It is a I'eporting proposition, but what I mean, is it a 

 plaiming agency ? Is it one that does say what the Xational Aeronau- 

 tics and Space Administration says? 



ISTow. we are going to plan and suggest or request or demand that 

 certain agencies include sometliing in their program, or do they just 

 operate as a reporting and coordinating agency for ships' operations? 



Dr. HoRxiG. Again. I think Secretary ^lorse can spell this out in 

 tiiore detail, but they have prepared a series of reports which make 

 recommendations. They are just in the process of completing one 

 on underseas vehicles for oceanography which will make recom- 

 mendations with regard to tlie program for deep submersibles. 



Mr. Casey. They will make recommendations to whom? The 

 Federal Coimcil? 



Dr. HoRxiG. Their reports will be publicly available, and it will 

 be available to me and to the Congress. 



!Mr. C-ASEY. I know, but making- a report. I am talking about how 

 will it get started ? Does the ICO start it, or do they make this report 

 public ? Tliat is true, but is the Congress supposed to take that repoit 

 and grab it. or is someone supposed to put that particular item in 

 their budget ? 



Dr. HoRxiG. Th.e report must be implemented in the budget. In 

 some cases, once the agencies have been involved in developing the 

 reconmiendations. they are easily included in the agency programs. 

 In other cases, this requires some persuasion on my part. 



]Mr. Casey. Then if the agency gets to the authorization committee 

 or the Appropriations Committee and they have to cut do^vm on their 

 fluids, why then they are in trouble, are they not? 



Dr. HoRxiG. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Casey. If, say, the Defense Department — and you have some- 

 thing the Armed Services Committee or the armed services section of 

 the Armed Servires Committee deems more important, they are out? 



Dr. HoRxiG. That is right. I might also point out that this happens 

 in S"r»ace. There are not nearly as many agencies involved, but the 

 XASA has one authorization committee and the Department of De- 

 fense another, for example. 



Mr. Casey. Yes ; I am on the Space Committee. 



