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Dr. PToRNTG. That is correct. 



Mr. Rogers. I am talking about personnel. You have two men. 

 Who are the two men ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Dr. Menard and Mr. Fry. 



Mr. Rogers. But there is no permanent staffman that worlcs with 

 them all the time? I presume you have some of the work done by 

 these gentlemen working with ICO, with the governmental depart- 

 ments on their programs ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. No ; Dr. Menard came to the office from Scripps to work 

 on this particular problem. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, does he devote all of his time to it ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. Nothing else ? 



Dr. Hornig. Nothing else. 



Mr. Rogers. Well now, who is going to advise you on the ICO pro- 

 grams when he is devoting all of his time to this panel study ? 



Dr. Hornig. I have great confidence in Secretary Morse. 



Mr. Rogers. Well, I am sure of that. I do, too, but then — have other 

 duties been assigned the ICO and the Navy — in the Navy, as I under- 

 stand it, is that true ? 



Dr. Hornig. I do not think there has been any great problem in 

 getting recommendations from the ICO into my office. 



Mr. Rogers. I am talking about a conflict. Do you haA^e time to go 

 into the details of the program? I presume that is what you have 

 your assistant for, where there is a conflict between agencies as to what 

 they want to do, about what the Budget feels, and I would think you: 

 have to go into some detail and make a scientific evaluation. I pre- 

 sume tliat is so. 



Dr. Hornig. Dr. Menard has come to spend the year on the national 

 oceanographic program and this, in fact, includes the ICO as well as 

 the panel. I should have stated this more correctly. 



Mr. Rogers. He is going to do both then ? 



Dr. Hornig. He is going to do both. 



Mr. Rogers. Then, we do not have any staffman full time for the 

 study ? 



Dr. Hornig. That is correct. 



Mr. Rogers. I am not trying to be embarrassing. I am trying to 

 point up why I think it is necessary for use to have a full commission 

 with a full staff to do this study. 



Now, let me ask you this. In looking over the personnel of your 

 commission, your study group or panel, I notice that it is dominated by 

 university people pretty much. In fact, I do not even see a lawyer 

 on here, and I feel that we have some legal problems involved in this 

 whole program. 



Are we going to make a study on that at all ? Is that to be included ? 



Dr. Hornig. You are absolutely correct that there are legal prob- 

 lems and I do not think the panel is either competent to study or was 

 it planned that they study the legal problems. 



Mr. Rogers. So Ave are leaving that out of your study ? 



Dr. Hornig. My study has for the moment excluded the legal prob- 

 lems. 



Mr. Rogers. It seems to me this is something we need to do. I am 

 just trying to point up what is needed in a national commission to be 

 helpful to you as the President's scientific adviser. 



