NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 293 



group — I am sure all are fine men, but dominated by university peo- 

 ple, Union Carbide, Minneapolis-Honeywell represented, but we need 

 a broader representation and I think we definitely need it for Govern- 

 ment to put forth what we should do and can be, and what the overall 

 program should be. 



Thank you, Dr. Hornig. Thank you very much. 



Mr.LKNNON. Mr. Keith? 



Mr. Keith. I share a great many of the sentiments that appear to 

 have motivated Mr. Rogers. Just to take as an example, the absence 

 of the veto authority on the panel. 



You say on page 14 of your testimony with reference to my bill : 



With respect to the bill itself, I have several reservations ; first, that it would 

 be premature to enact such a bill at this time when the extent of legal problems 

 related to resource recovery from this area has not been clarified. 



Secondly, there is a question also whether the provision of funds to industry, 

 as provided for by the bill, is a necessary or proper function of the Federal 

 Government at this time. 



Finally, owing to the large number of existing committees, commissions, and 

 councils, if any of the functions proposed in the bill are established in law, 

 serious consideration should be given to placing them under the general jurisdic- 

 tion of a major agency or department, which is already performing similar or 

 identical functions. 



There are, as you have recognized in your response to his questions, 

 tremendous needs with reference to legal authority as to our exploita- 

 tion of these resources. To have a continuing and informative or 

 infonned talent on the panel would be of help to you, I would think, 

 in reaching conclusions as to how we are going to exploit these 

 resources. 



Dr. HoRNiG. I should mention, Mr. Keith, that at the last panel 

 meeting the panel itself worried seriously about this problem, and we 

 will certainly take the comments made here most seriously. 



Mr. Keith. With reference to the membership of the governmental 

 representatives on the panel, inasmuch as the Government will be 

 called upon to implement many of the conclusions that are reached, it 

 would be helpful to have someone on the Government payroll that we 

 could from time to time call upon, someone who would have a con- 

 tinuing interest in the panel. 



We do not want a continuing committee, but we do not want to have 

 these reports just filed away, gathering dust. We want someone who 

 knows from the Government point of view what our responsibili- 

 ties are. 



I w'as a little surprised on this matter of public relations, as Mr. 

 Casey pointed out, that you had really been aware of Cousteau's efforts 

 and success in publicizing the French talent in this respect. I think 

 that we have to get a little bit- — my wife does not like to have me use 

 this word — of "sex appeal" into this program in order to sell it. You 

 made a statement that there were several trillions of dollars, I think 

 you said, worth of gold in the ocean. You did not know just w^here 

 it Avas, or how easily it could be captured and used and exploited. But 

 everybody, historically, is interested in gold — particularly at this time. 

 You just sort of passed over that casually. 



If there is any chance of getting any gold out of "them there" depart- 

 ments, we certainly should have a mission with that as a primary pur- 

 pose, it seems to me. 



