294 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



I was also interested in the semantics when Mr. Rogers asked you 

 about the mission or the charter of your panel. You did not want 

 to exactly adopt his terms, you wanted to use the term "termographics," 

 which is not as imaginative, or as motivating as ''roles and missions," 

 for example. 



We have to get things done. It has been my understanding that 

 v;e have had this kind of panel for the past 3 years with almost 

 similar responsibilities assigned to it; is that not so? 



Dr. HoRNiG. I should answer that the President's Science Advisory 

 Committee has been strongly interested in oceanography f nee the 

 moment of its inception in 1957, and it has been one of the principal 

 advocates of the early development of the oceanographic program. 



In the preceding 2 years we have had panels with a somewhat nar- 

 rower objective of working with the ICO in reviewing the Federal 

 programs. This panel now is meant to be much more imaginative, 

 to accomplish a much broader examination than the previous panels. 



Mr. Keith. Well, I hope it is more fruitful. 



In the charge that you gave to this panel I did not notice a great 

 deal of attention to the question of economic return for industrial 

 missions. You smile, I guess maybe you have a good answer on 

 this one. 



Dr. HoRNiG. I appointed an economist to the panel with that very 

 much in mind. 



Mr. Keith. Well, my bill calls for a very significant role on the 

 part of private enterprise and some determination of the responsibil- 

 ity of Federal Government to help them in their initial efforts to 

 exploit these resourc-es and I would hope that we would make every 

 effort to tliink of this in terms of economics. 



Dr. HoRNiG. I would like to make clear that the possibility of 

 economic return is to me one of the very central and major questions. 

 In tlie one area in which there has been substantial economic return — 

 oil and gas — from subsurface deposits, we have actually had a larger 

 investment by private industry than is involved in the total oceano- 

 graphic program, and I feel that if we can identify really valuable 

 mineral deposits, we will find a considerable private involvement. 



Mr. Keith. I have only been on this committee a short time, but 

 I have attended hearings earlier insomuch as I was interested because 

 of Woods Hole being located in my district, and it seems to be some- 

 thing of the same old record year after year of our plans but really not 

 much resolution of the discussions and how they can best be imple- 

 mented. 



As Mr. Rogers pointed out, I do not want to repeat this to any great 

 length, but it seems to be a collection of thoughts of your agencies 

 with reference to oceanography rather than an exploitation of what 

 we have possibly uncovered, and I would hope soon we could get into 

 something closer to the operational phase. 



With reference to your staff, it was my understanding that Mr. Fry 

 is really a Navy officer, a line officer rather than primarily an 

 ^oceanographer. 



Is that not so ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is correct. 



Mr. Keith. He is a commander in the Navy. 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is correct. 



