296 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



I have not counted, but I think this is the 15th time this year that I 

 have testified before various committees of the Congress about our 

 activities. It is perfectly true that at times in trying to formulate 

 points of view one conducts some discussions internally. 



Mr. IvEiTH. That is understandable. 



One final comment. 



You spoke with very glowing terms about the accomplishments of 

 our Government in the field of oceanography and said that no other 

 nation could compare with ours. Have you been briefed on what other 

 nations have been doing in this area ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Yes, sir ; I have gone into this very carefully. 



Mr. Keith. And you feel we are way ahead of the Russians insofar 

 as oceanography is concerned ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. I think we have better equipment and a better program. 



Mr. Keith. And better personnel ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. And better personnel. 



j\Ir. Keith. Considerably better ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. ^Ylien you say, "considerably," I think one has to define 

 that somewhat. 



Mr. Keith. Well, there is no oceanography gap ? 

 ^ Dr. HoRNiG. No, sir; I think we have a big job to do, but I do not 

 think that closing an oceanography gap is part of it. I think this is 

 an area in Avhich we have a good program, and I mentioned these points 

 because I Avanted to make it clear that we have a good program. The 

 problem we face is how to do much better, but we are leadmg the way 

 right now. 



For example, no other nation to my knowledge has an oceanwide 

 survey program. 



Mr. Keith. I have to go to an executive session of another commit- 

 tee and I regret th.nt I cannot s^av and listen to further testimony from 

 you or from Mr. Morse, but I do not think the Congress is quite as 

 comfortable, as complacent or as satisfied with our relative status, 

 vis-a-vis, the Commu.nists in this area, as you are, and I think the 

 testimony that has been offered, the questioning of the committee 

 and the wide public interest as indicated by the large number of peo- 

 ple who are attending these hearings that were held over in the caucus 

 room indicates we have to go much farther much faster. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Casey (presiding). Mr. Reinecke ? 



Mr. Reinecke. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. 



I would like to thank you, Dr. Hornig, for a very fine statement. It 

 certainh^ has clarified a great many misconceptions I had. 



You list accomplishments. Are these all results of a Federal pro- 

 gram or some of them based on industrial research ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Some of them are industrial. 



Mr. Reinecio:. It sounded to me that these were experiments on 

 the i:)art. of oil companies and other concerns that were not related 

 to the Federal program. 



Dr. HoRNiG. Yes, sir, but almost all of what I mentioned is derived 

 from the Federal program. 



Mr. Reinecke. Over on the last page, you read the information col- 

 lected by a single agency must thus be available to all agencies. 



Now, your text said — I wonder if this is sort of a freudian slip^ 

 you thought it was not being properly distributed but should be. 



