298 NATIONAL OCEANOGR.^PHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Dr. HoRNiG. The fiinding of the program has, in fact, risen rapidly 

 in the last 5 years. I think I -would tend to ask now, "What impor- 

 tant purposes are not currently being served?" 



This is what we are trying to do. 



Mr. Eeixecke. Do you feel that the funding is adequate down on 

 a separate agency basis? Recognizing, as Mr. Rogers pointed out, 

 that none of these Secretaries seem to have much of a real interest. 



Dr. HoRXiG. There are undoubtedly problems comiected with the 

 dispersion of the program, but these are also related to the fact that 

 the Secretaries are responsible for achieving major national goals. 



I think that the central problem does not derive from the division 

 of the funding, but from an inadequately clear definition of what it 

 is we want to do. 



]\Ir. Reixecke. And who is working on that ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. "We are working on it. 



Mr. Reixecke. No further questions, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lexxox (presiding). Doctor, as the Director of the Office of 

 Science and Technology, and also Chairman of the Federal Council 

 for Science and Teclinology, do you have a counterpart in one of the 

 other major agencies of the Federal Government or departments of 

 the Federal Government? 



Dr. HoRxiG. I do not suppose there is any precise counterpart; 

 there is. of course, the Director of Defense Research and Engineering 

 whose duties within DOD bear some resemblance to mine. 



In the Army, Xavy, and Air Force there are assistant secretaries 

 for research and development who have some of the same functions. 

 There are science advisers in Interior and Agriculture. In the De- 

 partment of Commerce there is the Assistant Secretary for Science 

 and Technology. 



Mr. Reixecke. That is the one I was coming to. 



Mr. Lexxox. So you actually have at the Assistant Secretary level 

 in the Department of Commerce, an Assistant Secretary for Science 

 and Teclinology. Wliat is the position in the Department of Com- 

 merce if there is not a comparable justification in the Department of 

 the Interior and in the Department of Health, Education, and Wel- 

 fare, not to mention a number of other agencies which participate in 

 various facets of oceanography, whatever that relationship may be, 

 and how diffused it may be? 



Dr. HoRxiG. Mr. Chairman, I think there is ample justification for 

 a role similar to mine in each of the Government departments. There 

 were no science advisers in any of the departments prior to the incep- 

 tion of the President's Science Advisory Committee, which was one of 

 the earliest advocates of a diffusion of the responsibilities which were 

 inherent in my office, and we have consistently urged the establish- 

 ment of assistant secretarial positions for this purpose in other 

 departments. 



Mr. Reixecke. Xow, it is just in tlie last 3 years that you had estab- 

 ished in the Department of Commerce, the Office of Science and 

 Technology; and that, too, was done under the reorganization plan, 

 was it not ? 



I see heads being shaken in the negative. 



Dr. HoRxiG. I will have to check, I am not sure just how the as- 

 sistant secretaryship was established. 



