300 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



He laid the premises before you were even permitted to testify^ 

 they were goin^ to pass that bill, they had the votes to do it. It turns 

 out he did ; they 3 ust passed it. 



You recall in addressing yourselves to that bill, not specifically 

 but in reading your testimony which was rather short and sort of 

 summarized. 



I do not think you said anything different in your statement today 

 that you did not make before the Senate committee on February 19 of 

 this year. But my recollection is that S.944 at that time when you 

 were before the committee only provided for a national council whick 

 I believe was your top echelon in the various agencies in the Federal 

 Government and then they were enumerated. 



Before the bill I think was finally reported out by the Senate Com- 

 mittee on Commerce, it did include an advisory commission; is that 

 your recollection ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. I think so. 



Mr. Lennon. There are four bills pending before this committee — 

 H.R. 5654, by the gentleman from Florida, Mr. Fascell ; H.E. 6512, 

 Mr. Fulton, of Pennsylvania ; H.R. 7301 by Mr. Hanna, of California ; 

 and H.R. 7998, by Mr. Huot and Mr. Hanna. 



My recollection is these bills are identical with the original draft 

 of S. 944 that was being considered in the Senate committee at the 

 time you testified. 



Have you changed, varied, or modified your position with respect 

 to that bill since your testimony before the Senate in mid-February 

 of this year ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. No, sir; I do not think so. I think there are many 

 excellent features in S. 944 in common with many of the bills here. 

 The declared policies and purposes are valid national objectives, and I 

 think the functions of the President's Science Advisory Board are 

 sound and essential. 



My main concern is whether a national council is the optimum orga- 

 nization to perform these fimctions; in particular it raises in principle, 

 the need for a whole series of national councils for each technological 

 area. 



In some ways H.R. 2218 is a stronger bill because it enables the 

 President to use such advisory arrangements as he might choose. I 

 think my position is essentially unchanged. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, who represents the Department of Commerce 

 on the ICO ? Do you recall ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Admiral Karo. 



Mr. Lennon. How often does the ICO now meet, Doctor ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. I will have to turn to its Chairman. 



Mr. Morse. Approximately once a month. 



Mr. Lennox. Could you be more specific. Everything seems to be 

 on approximate basis. 



Dr. HoRNiG. It has met 11 times in the last year. Of course, it has 

 numerous panels that Dr. Morse will describe, which meet to resolve 

 particular problems. 



Mr. Lennon. On your staff you have approximately 20 persons ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is right. 



Mr. Lennon. When you appeared before the Senate Commerce 

 Committee on February 19 you did not have a person on that st^ft' of 



