NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 301 



'20 who was in the oceanographic field or had a background in oceanog- 

 raphy, did you ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is correct. There was a gap between the time 

 that Mr. Wenk, who is now in the Legislative Reference Service, left 

 and Mr. Fry came aboard. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, who was his predecessor on your staff who was 

 an experienced oceanographer ? On your staff I am talking about. 



Dr. HoRNiG. Mr. Edward Wenk. 



Mr. Reinecke. He left when ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. He let in the late fall of 1964. 



Mr. Lennon. Last year? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is right. 



Mr. Lennon. And now the gentleman has just come aboard? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Mr. Fry joined my staff on May 10. 



Mr. Lenngjst. And he will devote, I believe I heard you say, sir, 

 all of his time to the oceanographic program as it may he related to 

 the different agencies represented on the ICO ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. That will be his full-time job ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. That is correct, that has been his full-time job. 



Mr. Lennoist. Doctor, as the editor of this magazine which gets 

 out, I do not know whether you would call it a poop sheet or what- 

 ever it is, anyhow, I do not subscribe to it but I get it and I do 

 read it. 



The editor of the Ocean Science News. Does he have any marine 

 science background? 



Dr. HoRNiG. The editor of which magazine? 



Mr. Lennon. The editor of the Ocean Science News, the world's 

 first business letter devoted exclusively to the ocean. 



Dr. HoRNiG. I do not know either his name or his background, I 

 am sorry to say. 



Mr. Lennon. Maybe you do not get his letter. Maybe you ought 

 to read it. 



Anyhow, I am going to read from it. [Laughter. 1 



Because it is so frequently quoted both as a news item and so fre- 

 quently incorporated in the editorials that people send to me and the 

 other members of the committee. 



I a.m reading now from a quote from an editorial of August 2, let's 

 see if I can find it. 



Here it is. 



Apropos of nothing in particular except one man's frustration, we quote the 

 following outburst as pertinent to the proliferation of committees, panels, soci- 

 eties, study groups, et cetera, that tout themselves as the answer — all to the woes 

 and aspirations of oceanography : 



"Oceanography in the United States is becoming one vast bureaucratic bowl of 

 noodles. The only way to get anything done is to push one of the noodles and 

 hope that the same one comes out at the other end." 



Now, people who know, and I do not know, I am a layman, but 

 people in the field of oceanography, whether it is industry or Govern- 

 ment, or tlie intellectual university level, they might understand that, 

 but when the public reads it they say, well, I understand the Federal 

 Government is spending $150-million-plus, annually. 



