NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 303 



NoAv, we cannot get into the Department of Defense. I happen to 

 be on that connnittee, and I just recall about 4 weeks ago they brought 

 up a little piece of legislation, to build an oceanographic vessel for the 



Navy. 



We did not have 3 minutes' discussion of it. Now, if the Depart- 

 ment of the Interior, through the Bureau of Fisheries, or HEW or 

 some of these other agencies had gone before their particular legisla- 

 tion authorization committee for construction of an oceanographic 

 vessel, just as meaningful to them as it was to the Department of the 

 Navy, we would have had a truly fully dressed hearing on it. 



But, no sir, not when it goes before the Armed Services Committee. 

 They say this is directly or may be in the long future related, well, to 

 the antisubmarine warfare right on out. 



Don't add an amendment to it, don't debate it, let it go. And the 

 doctor knows that is so, and that is the way it ought to be, but to my 

 way of thinking, you take in the Department of Commerce for fiscal 

 1966, Dr. HoUomon was very happy about their ship construction, 

 but we checked the record and found that the Bureau of the Budget 

 did not approve a dime for ships for 1966 — ship construction of ocean- 

 ographic vessels in the Department of Commerce. 



Now, if you want to see that, I will show it to you. I do not think 

 he knew it. 



Dr. HoRNiG. Mr. Chairman, my wife presided at the launching of 

 the OSS-2, which will be commissioned in September. 



Mr. Lennon. 1 am talking about fiscal 1966. 



Dr. HoKNiG. We have to use those ships as well as build them. 



Mr. Lennon. But there is nothing in fiscal 1966 authorization for 

 construction of any additional vessels for oceanography in the envi- 

 ronmental sciences that he had jurisdiction of under the Office of 

 Science and Technology in the Department of Commerce. 



Mr. Counsel ? 



Dr. HoRNiG. Mr. Chairman, I would like to make clear before I 

 leave that I have read Dr. Hollomon's testimony with very great care 

 and I have talked with him many times. 



Mr. Lennoist. You are not too far apart ; I see a lot of similarity in 

 your testimony, particularly in certain areas, but you did not read the 

 answers he gave to our questions. 



Dr. HoRNiG. Unfortunately not. 



Mr. Lennon. I doubt if you have seen him to talk to him since then ; 

 that is what I want you to read. 



Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Counsel. 



Mr. Drewry. Dr. Hornig, after the listing of accomplishments of 

 the program that you referred to during the past 5 years, you later 

 said that they were almost inspired federally or promoted programs ; 

 that there were a few from industry. 



What have you done in your PSAC or otherwise to find out what 

 industry is presently doing and to find out what their needs might 

 be — where advice and assistance can be given to them ? 



"WHiere are the areas that the Federal Government is better able to 

 make a contribution at the beginning which industry may use ? 



On your Oceanography Panel I believe you mentioned 12 members 

 who at least drew their salary from industry, the gentleman from 

 Traveler's Insurance Co. and the gentleman from Union Carbide. 



