308 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



He says : "Yes, sir." 

 Then 1 said : 



Now, in what agency should the focus come in the exploitation and utilization: 

 of the ocean resources ? 



That is the other broad area. 



He answered that : "In the Interior." I said : "In the Department of 

 the Interior?" 

 He answers : 



Now, I also believe, which I did not mention in my testimony, but I think I 

 made it clear in answer to those questions, that the Department of Defense- 

 should retain its fuU responsibility of doing what was necessary in the na- 

 tional defense, the National Science Foundation to retain its responsibility to- 

 support broadening the sciences, particularly in the universities. 



And then he goes on. Then I questioned him later on : 



Dr. HoUoman, is there some question in your mind that this focused attention 

 on both of the facets you have described could best be done by statutory author- 

 ity in the Department of Commerce and in the Department of the Interior rather 

 than through Presidential action pursuant to H.R. 2218? I am not asking^ 

 you to be critical, but you did say, you indicated it might be done . 



Mr. HoiiLOMON. I think the two sentences follow each other. I say this might 

 be done through presidential action pursuant to H.R. 2218 — 



And that is the bill that has been in general consensus with respect 

 to all of the departments — 



if enacted or alternatively additional authorization legislation might be desir- 

 able. That is to say, your committee might want to take some action there. 



Mr. Lennon. Well now, you think it could best be done by Presidential actioni 

 through enactment of H.R. 2218, or whether or not it could best be done by legis- 

 lative authority which would place in the Department of Commerce and in the 

 Department of the Interior the two focal points of development or both descrip- 

 tion and definition and exploration and seeking the other objectives? 



Mr. HoLLOMON. I think I could answer the question in this way, Mr. Chair- 

 man : That if your committee feels that these responsibilities and appropriate 

 authority for appropriations are not clearly defined, I think you should follow 

 the second course. 



If you feel that the time is not right to so define it and you should need some 

 additional studies or advice, I think you should follow the first course. 



Then we got into the question of the fact that the Department of 

 Commerce, certainly in the field of oceanography, or through the 

 ESSA, does not have annual legislative authorization, and we got back 

 on the question of the fact that the fiscal 1966 budget did not provide 

 for any additional ships in the Department of Commerce. I called 

 his attention — see, they operate on not an annual basis, but a continu- 

 ing authorization. There is no legislative committee of the Congxess 

 that they can come to for authorization, and for that reason there is 

 no legislative overseeing committee, no central legislative overseeing 

 committee that could bring in the Department of Commerce, the De- 

 partment of the Interior, the Department of Defense, and all the other 

 spectrums where oceanography and various facets of it is used, sO' 

 that we could determine, or at least make an exploration, to attempt 

 to determine as to the coordination of the program and if the objec- 

 tives sought to be obtained were, in fact, attained. 



I wanted your comments on Dr. Hollomon's answer to my question 

 based on his flat statement that oceanography was divided into these 

 two broad fields, and then he defined which parts should be into which 

 and finally comes up with the suggestion that it ought to be lodged, 

 that is one facet of it, in the Department of Commerce through the 



