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This second function, precise surveys of the Continental Shelf, the 

 coastal areas and the deep waters, is currently divided primarily be- 

 tween the ESS A, and the Navy. 



Here one might inquire again whether this should not be consoli- 

 dated. Again I would make the point that some sequence of priorities 

 for what is surveyed must be established. The naval activities are 

 responsive to a different set of needs, in making those choices, than the 

 Coast and Geodetic Survey. 



Therefore, in response to the first half of Dr. Hollomon's suggestion, 

 I believe the ocean science function is properly separated from the 

 function of acquiring that data which is necessary to service our on- 

 going practical activities, which is the central function of the environ- 

 mental sciences services administration. 



This is the same division as in atmospheric sciences, where ESSA 

 is responsible for weather services and backup research, but the basic 

 science is primarily carried on by the National Science Foundation. 



Finally, with regard to his other point, it seems to me that the whole 

 area of resources is a separate one, although it is related. Natural 

 resovirces are the statutory responsibility of the Department of the 

 Interior. I do not think new legislation is needed, but new legislation 

 might focus the responsibility of the Department of the Interior in 

 the marine resources area. 



This area of resources has, in fact, been the subject of most of the 

 discussion and most of the concern about expanded oceanographic pro- 

 grams. Mj^ own impression is that the first area, the one Hollomon 

 called physical oceanography and which I have broken up into ocean 

 sciences and survey activities, can be improved, but it is in reasonably 

 good shape. 



Most of the concern has been on the development of ocean resources 

 and the means to get at them. This is certainly the area on which my 

 panel, which we discussed yesterday, is concentrating. One of the 

 major foci of activities of that panel is to understand the ocean re- 

 sources problem. 



That is the area in which new programs are possible, but I quite 

 concur with Secretary Hollomon that this is the responsibility of the 

 Department of the Interior. 



Mr. Leistnon. So you can get out of here at 10 :30 as promised, coun- 

 sel has a few questions he would like to get answered in the record, 

 and then very likely there will be other questions submitted to you 

 within a few days that we would like to have your answers for the 

 record, Doctor. 



Dr. HoRNiG. I will be delighted to provide them. 



Mr. Lennojst. Counsel, will you proceed, sir ? 



Mr. Drewry. Dr. Hornig, there are just a few questions right now, 

 and maybe you can supply for us and then, as we go over the record, I 

 am sure there will be more that will occur. 



On page 2 of your statement you said that the oceanographic budget 

 increased by nearly a factor of three. Could you supply us with the 

 amount of Federal spending for "basic" and "applied'' research as 

 contrasted with what might be called "development." 



How fast has this grown since 1960 and how much faster has oceano- 

 graphy grown than the total ? 



