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As regards the Federal Council, I would simply note that all of its 

 members are also senior officers, in some cases leaders of agencies, so 

 that the President has many alternative sources of advice. In par- 

 ticular, the agencies can communicate directly with him. 



I do not think we ever have tried to suppress information developed 

 in the Federal Council, but I think it would be a very unwise thing 

 to attempt to do. In any case, there are many channels for the advice 

 developed in the Council to flow to the President and to the Congress. 



Now, there is, in fact, a conflict in my position as special assistant 

 and as Director of OST. One of the reasons, I think, for establish- 

 ing OST was to make me accessible to the Congress and I think I 

 have been quite freely accessible to the Congress. 



In the process of giving advice to the President, of course, there 

 are privileged matters which may frequently arise, and all I can say 

 is that in practice no serious problems, at least since I have been here, 

 seem to have developed. 



I have never found one-half of myself in conflict with the other 

 half, but if this problem should deevelop, there might be a case at some 

 time in the future for separating the roles of the special assistant and 

 the Director of OST. There are very cogent arguments, however, for 

 bringing these to a focus rather than proliferating the mechanisms 

 for the discussions of these problems. 



Mr. Drewry. Of course, the question was not directed to Dr. Horaig 

 as a principal, but to the principles of the thing — whoever may occupy 

 the chair as Federal Council 



Dr. HoRNiG. I would say, generally speaking, as Director of OST, 

 because in the future it may not be one man. As Director of OST 

 and all of its activities, the Director is obligated to report to the 

 Congress. As special assistant he is a White House staff member and, 

 in general, would not testify. 



Mr. Leistnon". We will go off the record. 



( Discussion off the record. ) 



Mr. Leistnon. Back on the record. 



Dr. HoRNiG. Thank yon, Mr. Chairman, I have appreciated the 

 opportiinity to talk about tliese problems with the committee. 



Mr. Lennon. The next witness is Dr. Eobert W. Morse, Assistant 

 Secretary of the Navy for Research and Development, and Chairman 

 of the Interagency Committee on Oceanography; accompanied by 

 Capt. J. Edward Snyder, Jr., special assistant to Dr. Morse; Capt. T. 

 K. Treadwell, Deputy Oceanographer of the Na^^; Rear Adm. John 

 K. Leydon, Chief of Naval Research ; Robert. Abel, Executive Secre- 

 tarv, ICO, and the Panel Chairman of the ICO. 



Would you gentlemen come around, please, and while you are com- 

 ing around, let me announce that Dr. John W. Clark, of the Res^earch 

 Committee of the Subcommittee on Oceano.oTaphv of the National 

 Association of Manufacturers, I understand is due here, and from the 

 west coast — and that you asked the committee counsel if you could 

 not be heard this morning. 



It so happens that Dr. Morse and his group — this is their third day 

 they have been waiting. We will go off the record a minute. 



(Discussion off the reecord.) 



Mr. LEN]sro>r. Back on the record. 



Dr. Morse, we are delighted to have you and your associates. I 

 see only one of them, but I understand they are here. 



