320 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



Dr. Morse. This is the sponsoring of academic work. 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



The Department of Agriculture ? 



Dr. Morse. None. 



Mr. Rogers. None ? 



Dr. Morse. Correct, 



Mr. Rogers. The Atomic Energy Commission ? 



Dr. Morse. In research, the Atomic Energy Commission shows $4.6 

 million. 



Mr. Rogers. And NASA? 



Dr. Morse. None — or at least we carry "none" in our budget. 



Mr. Rogers. And Smithsonian ? 



Dr. Morse. Smithsonian submitted at least as $1.7 million. 



Mr. Rogers. Now, what about the Departments of the Army and 

 Air Force ? 



Dr. Morse. The Air Force has no oceanographic research. The 

 ArmyEngineers show $1.3 million. 



Mr. Rogers. $1.3 million ? 



Dr. Morse. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. I believe the Department of the Air Force did have 

 a project going. They had five grants, I believe, in 1965; did they 

 not? 



Dr. Morse. The Air Force you are talking about ? 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



Dr. Morse. We decided not to include those in our program, these 

 are in the Geophysical. We assumed these were related more to geo- 

 physics, apparently, than to oceanography. 



Mr. Rogers. I see. 



I notice in your testimony you say you think some legislation should 

 be passed. 



Dr. Morse. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. Some bills — I believe there are only about really — 

 one bill, perhaps two, with the Continental Shelf problem involved, 

 with some change. But you do not approve of a commission because 

 you say it is being done by the panel appointed by Dr. Hornig, in the 

 Office of Science and Technology. Is that correct ? 



Dr. Morse. Well, let me put it this way. I feel very strongly that 

 the objectives of a commission are very much needed. I think the 

 whole program very much needs a relook and in the future, particu- 

 larly if one views the program beyond the narrow scope of oceano- 

 graphic science, I feel that the question of development of resources 

 of ocean technology, the use of our knowledge about the oceans as it 

 relates to the national welfare is, I think, one of the areas where 

 we need a great deal of definition. We need much more in the way of 

 facts, of specific programs, rather than vague, general tests. 



I think this can be done only by a considerable amount of attention 

 by a wide variety of people. 



Mr. Rogers. Now, even if it has to be your personal view, and I 

 would assume you would want to qualify it, rather than a departmental 

 view, do you not think that we really need a national commission that 

 would be broader than the charter of the group that has been set up 

 to study the science implications of oceanography as set up by Dr. 

 Hornig ? 



