NATIONAL OCEAN'OGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 321 



Dr. Morse. My personal view, of course, as I testified, I am confused 

 sometimes whether I am speaking for the Navy, the ICO, or myself. 



Mr. Rogers. Yes. 



Dr. INIoRSE. My personal view, and I certainly have discussed it with 

 Dr. Hornig, is that I think a national commission, whether or not it 

 needs legislation to set it up is another matter, would be a good thing. 



Mr. Rogers. That is encouraging to hear you say that. 



Dr. Morse. If I may add, especially one that goes out of business 

 when it is through, 



Mr. Rogers. Yes, I will agree with that. To go in and make a 

 very thorough study, put some real emphasis on it, and then turn over 

 their findings and get out of the business. 



Now, do you think a panel could make an adequate study of all of 

 the ramifications of oceanography, meeting for 18 days in 9 months? 

 In a 9-month period of time ? 



Dr. Morse. I think the answer to that is "No." 



Mr. Rogers. Why, certainly, I would agree. 



And this is what the panel that has been set up has as its schedule, 

 to study and report back in the 9-month period. 



Now, let me ask this. Who sits on the ICO from the Bureau of the 

 Budget ? 



Dr. Morse. There is no member of the ICO — there is a Bureau of 

 the Budget observer. 



Mr. Rogers. Who is this person ? 



Dr. Morse. Roy Dillon is, and he has been sitting with the com- 

 mittee for quite some time — 3 years— and is quite familiar with the 

 programs, and this, I think, has been very much an advantage to us 

 to have someone who has been capable and continuing. 



Mr. Rogers. Is he an oceanographer by his background ? 



Dr. Morse. No, sir. 



Mr. Rogers. Do you know what his backgromid is ? 



Dr. Morse. I could not say. He is an expert with dollars, I under- 

 stand. 



Mr. Rogers. With what? 



Dr. Morse. An expert with counting dollars, by profession, I believe 

 he is an economist, 



JNIr. Rogers. We need more of those, I am sure. 



What I am concerned with is, it seems to me from reading over the 

 various statements that we have had so far from the various govern- 

 mental departments, that the Bureau of the Budget is exerting more 

 control on the testimony, the departmental testimony, than the depart- 

 ments themselves. 



I have some concern about this and I hope we can maybe get the 

 Budget, Mr. Chairman, and go into this a little bit later on. 



Is it necessary for you to clear this statement and the position you 

 take with the Bureau of the Budget ? 



Dr. Morse. It certainly was cleared with them. I believe it is nec- 

 essary to do that. 



Mr. Rogers. It is necessary ? 



Dr. Morse. Yes, sir, 



I realize you do have to go to the Budget, What I am saying is, 

 where you have a difference in departmental view with the Bureau 

 of the Budget, must you accede to the Budget's view ? 



