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problem, namely, the rising costs of managing ships, resulted in the 

 National Science Foundation's budget going up because of our calling 



attention to this need in their own budget which 



Mr, Rogers. In the National Science Foundation ? 

 Dr. Morse. Yes ; and their own agency head was most cooperative 

 in understanding this problem and in backing our position within that 

 agency. 



Mr. Rogers. But you had no difficulty along the other direction since 

 you have been here ? 



Dr. Morse. I have to say "No." I recall no specific case. 

 Mr. Rogers. In making up the national oceanographic program as 

 far as the Government is concerned, there is then no central start given 

 to the program ? 



Dr. Morse. It is important to realize, I believe, that the ICO — and 

 the ICO panels which are the operational aspects of the committee — 

 plays a very important role. It is not an initial affair, but a year-by- 

 year affair, so that the effects of the ICO perhaps do not show in the 

 year that it is discussed. In other words, there is a carryover of 

 problems, of course. 



If the problem is not really satisfied in 1 year, then this is an issue 

 that certainly gets back to the department, so that I think in that sense, 

 that the continuity of the operation feeds back to the agency wliich 

 may well stimulate a proposal from that agency back to the ICO, 

 which might have grown out of discussions the previous year. 

 Mr. Rogers. Does the Navy fund the Sea Lab ? 

 Dr. Morse. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. And as I recall the testimony, there were other agen- 

 cies, of course, that were participating ? 

 Dr. Morse. That are participating, yes. 

 Mr. Rogers. Is this classified or unclassified ? 

 Dr. Morse. There is no classified work in Sea Lab. 

 Mr. Rogers. Should the Navy do work that is unclassified or should 

 it be confined to classified ? 



Dr. Morse. I think very definitely it should do unclassified work. 

 Mr. Rogers. Wliy should it not be in the Commerce Department if 

 it is unclassified — or Interior ? 



Dr. Morse. I think, first, by saying that there ought to be such work 

 in the Navy does not say there should not be such work in the Com- 

 merce Department as well. I think it is extremely important to the 

 Navy that it participate in the important oceanographic questions. 



The ocean is such a basic — it is the basic enviromnent of the Navy. 

 I think the Navj^ has to know as much or more about it than anybody 

 else if it is to do its job correctly. This means it not only has to have 

 such men in the Navy, such as Commander Fry who described his 

 qualifications yesterday, who are scientifically oriented, but are naval 

 officers. 



I think this is important to the Navy and to oceanography. I think 

 it is important that the leading oceanographers work with the Navy, 

 without a third party, say, in between. I think there must be a mutual 

 sharing of responsibility. 



Mr. Rogers. I thought the idea was that the information could be 

 interchanged ? 



Dr. Morse. Information is, of course, interchanged, but I think it 

 is an improper or too mechanical a view of science and technology to 



