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separate and perhaps different judgment of what you are comparing 

 the validity with. 



I think, though, tliat on the whole that one's action within the Navy 

 is, therefore, more informed because of knowing what it fits with. If 

 we do not do it we know the impact to the whole program. Never- 

 theless, I would be the first to admit that sometimes the judgments 

 you make in the agency may not coincide with the judgment you make 

 m the ICO. 



Mr. Bauer. Thank you, Doctor, that is all I have. 



Mr. Lennon. Dr. Morse, for the record, the Council that Dr. Hor- 

 nig is Chairman of, he wears a dual hat as the Director of the Office 

 of Science and Technology, but the Federal Council is made up ex- 

 clusively of governmental representatives and, of course, the ICO is, 

 too. 



How many members are there on the ICO? 



Dr. Morse. There are nine members. 



Mr. Lennon. You have, of course, three observers. 



Dr. Morse. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. One of whom was an observer of the Bureau of the 

 Budget. 



Dr. Morse. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. You were asked whether the Bureau of the Budget 

 sat in on ICO meetings and I see he is specifically named as an ob- 

 server in a publication issued by the ICO. 



Some mention was made by Mr. Rogers with respect to the research 

 part of the Department of Commerce in the national oceanographic 

 program, I think you mentioned the figure $35 million. 



Dr. Morse, Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. Actually out of the total of the $141 million for fiscal 

 1966, the Department of Defense part of that was $67,099,000, a little 

 bit less than 50 percent of the total national oceanographic budget 

 for fiscal 1966. 



You have a ship's panel, I understand, in ICO. 



Dr. Morse. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. They take the recommendations from the several 

 agencies who are interested in new construction. Do you have with 

 you the requests by agency to ship's panel, then to the ICO and then 

 to the Federal Council on the number of ships each agency requested 

 for new construction for fiscal 1966? 



Dr. Morse. For 1966? 



Mr. Lennon. Yes, sir. 



Dr. Morse. Here is Captain Treadwell who is the chairman of that. 



Mr. Lennox. We will take them in the order of the Department of 

 Defense, Commerce, and on down the list, please, sir. 



Dr. Morse. Do you have the figures? 



Captain Treadwell. I do not have those figures witli me, sir, I 

 can provide them, 



Mr. Lennon. What I want is the requests from the various agencies 

 to ICO which were then turned over to the ship's panel which then 

 made its recommendation back to the ICO which then made its rec- 

 ommendation to the Federal Council. 



Captain Treadwell. I can provide that for the record; I do not 

 liave it with me. 



