352 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



The part that follows I will quote : 



Nevertheless, none of the bills before you — 



meaning the committee^ — - 



provides guidelines for creating the governmental administrative and regula- 

 tory structures, now lacking in the legal area, which would facilitate and en- 

 courage the development of the ocean's resources. 



In other words, none of these bills, and I think there are about 17 

 of them, in your judgment would provide the guidelines for making 

 the governmental structure now lacking. Is that your sentiment? 



Dr. Clark. That is correct. 



Mr. Lennon. All right, sir. Do you think that we should have 

 legislation that would provide the guidelines for creating the gov- 

 ernmental, administrative, and regulatory structure that would facili- 

 tate and encourage the development of ocean resources? Do you 

 think we should have legislation that would obtain that objective? 



Dr. Clark. This moves a little out of my personal field of knowl- 

 edge as I do not presume to tell you gentlemen what should be legisla- 

 tion and what should be otherwise. 



Mr. Lennon. I appreciate that, but I would not resent it at all if 

 you said, "In my judgment, here is a work draft of a piece of legisla- 

 tion that, as a scientist and an engineer speaking for the National As- 

 sociation of Manufacturers, which have a great interest in this field,'' 

 that we think would obtain the objectives that you say ought to be 

 obtained in the language that I have just quoted from your statement, 

 and let us take a look at it. 



Now, would such legislation provide for the establishment of an 

 administrative and regulatory agency? That is what you say it 

 should do. Now, how would you go about doing that unless you took 

 something of the nature of the legislation suggested by Mr. Bob Wil- 

 son, of California, in his bill ? 



Dr. Clark. This was not intended to be implied by these words. 



Mr. Lennon. I would like for you to say what you have in mind 

 when you say that none of this legislation would obtain the objectives 

 that you think ought to be obtained. 



I guess you are referring to the four bills that are identical with the 

 one introduced by Mr. Rogers. Those, too, would not get the objective 

 you seek, you say. Is that right ? 



Dr. Clark. This is correct. 



Mr. Lennon. All right. Now, we will use the type of bill you think 

 would. Let us not come up here — "I do not agree with this." 



Now, we are talking about the Federal agency, too. We do not 

 agree with this, we do not agree with this, we do not agree with this, 

 we certainly do not agree with that. But you come up with no alter- 

 native, no draft legislation that we can analyze and apply our practical 

 judgment to these things. 



Now, you take a few minutes now, Doctor. You have given a lot 

 of thought to it, and tell us the type of legislation you think we ought 

 to get and have and get the objectives that you say we must obtain. 



Go ahead. We will listen to you now. 



Dr. Clark. This is precisely why we feel that this commission is 

 required. We have spent among the people concerned with this a 

 good deal of time attempting to do exactly what j'ou ask — draw up 



