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bill does, consisting of not less than seven members, but directing the 

 President to appoint a commission of 15 members, 5 representing Gov- 

 ernment, 5 representing industry, and 5 representing — I believe Mr. 

 Rogers — the university laboratory level, and let them, independent 

 of the provisions — the other provisions of 2218 — make the study and 

 make the recommendation? 



Now, I see the necessity if we are going to get any legislation in this 

 session, either in the earlier months of the next session, that there is 

 going to have to be a give-and-take. If the Senate insists on the 

 passage of its bill, 944, my judgment is we will wind up perhaps with 

 another pocket veto. 



So, I am seeking here — I am disappointed that we did not get our 

 bill through 2 years ago, and then take a look to see what has been 

 accomplished. I am just tired of studying this thing and studying it. 



Dr. Clark. Right. 



Mr. Lennon. What would you say about that ? If we could take 

 a combination of the bill introduced by Mr. Rogers and the others, a 

 combination of the bill introduced by Mr. Pelly of this subcommittee 

 and Mr. Bonner of the full committee, and myself. 



Now whether or not we would then run into the objections of the 

 Executive, I do not know. That is somethmg we will have to de- 

 termine at a later date. How do you feel about such a legislation 

 as that ? 



Dr. Clark. I would be very much in favor of it. 



Mr. Lennon. Do you basically disagree that the fundamental au- 

 thority respecting oceanography at least for the next year or two 

 ought not to be lodged in the Executive Office of the President? 



Dr. Clark. I do not understand your question, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. I said, do you object to the philosophy as it is now, 

 for the basic tenants of oceanography to be lodged in the Office of 

 the President, through the Federal Council ? 



Dr. Clark. No. 



Mr. Lennon. You do not? 



Dr. Clark. No. 



Mr. Lennon. Then you think you can agree with what I have in 

 mind ? 



Dr. Clark. Yes; I can agree. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Rogers? 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



I do not see that there is anything wrong with what the chairman 

 is saying. I do not see any conflict between the Commission and the 

 bill that you have introduced. I think it might be a very good 

 solution. 



I have been impressed by the fact that the testimony we have heard 

 to date shows a very definite need for a study to be made, as you have 

 endorsed in your statement. 



For instance, the Commerce representative came up and said he 

 wants two corps created in Government to do it. Then the Navy 

 came up and said, we do not really agree with that. We do not think 

 Commerce should take over in this area. We can do it. 



Then Dr. Hornig, the President's Science and Technology Adviser, 

 he says, "No; we need a study and I am doing it myself, and I am not 



