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going to study everything that needs to be studied," so I think it 

 has been pointed up that we really need a study and I am delighted to 

 see your organization come out and say so. But certainly in line 

 with what the chairman had said, there is no reason why the study 

 cannot go along concurrent with the development of the program that 

 the chairman has suggested, so that we have a basic setup and some 

 legislative direction which certainly is needed and has been pointed 

 up, too. 



Now, the Senate bill, of course, has, as I recall, reported out a Na- 

 tional Council, which the executive department is against, and they 

 have testified, but it also includes a Commission study which I was 

 glad to see. 



So I think we are not too far apart in our thinking on what needs 

 to be done. I want to commend you and your organization for bring- 

 ing to the committee your statement saying that you know that some- 

 thing needs to be done, but before we jump into some big agency or 

 something, we want to know where we are going and what needs to 

 be done. 



So, I would say along with the chairman that certainly there is no 

 reason why something cannot be worked out, incorporating the Com- 

 mission to make the study and also incorporating some legislative 

 language setting up a program and directing it to the committee in 

 Congress which can help the oceanogi*aphy program. 



So I want to commend you and your organization for your very fine 

 statement and the position you have taken and I think we are going 

 to need the help of industry, which you say is now expending about 

 60 percent of the funds in an effort where the Government is doing 

 only about 40 percent, and I think it is important to the advancement 

 of oceanography that this partnership continue. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank j^ou, Mr. Rogers. 



Mr. Reinecke ? 



Mr. Reinecke. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I, too, would like to thank Dr. Clark for bringing, I think, several 

 interesting and important points. One Mr. Rogers has just mentioned, 

 that industry has been, in fact, the predominant factor in this to date, 

 and certainly the experience to date has shown that private industry 

 and private enterprise will do more about research than the Govern- 

 ment systems a lot faster and less costly. 



And I think the hearings we have heard to date have not investi- 

 gated the need for the ocean engineering aspect of this field, and have 

 not investigated the free enterprise participation. 



I am in full accord with what Mr. Rogers has just said. Another 

 point you bring out here about the legal determination, this could 

 very well shape — and I would like to get jour comment — it could 

 very well shape the structure of the interadministrative organization, 

 whether it is a NASA-type, a Council or whatever, and we would be 

 hasty to jump at this point and form an organizational body without 

 knowing what the legal ramifications are. 



We could do a great deal of disservice, I believe. Does this sound 

 reasonable ? 



