NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 369 



Mr. Lennon. You state on page 6 in paragraph 3 : "I advocate a 

 strong interagency body with executive powers." 



Now when you say an interagency body, you mean a body repre- 

 senting the various agencies of the Federal Government that have an 

 interest in varying degrees in the wide scope of oceanography ? 



Mr. Clotworthy. That is correct, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. I know you are familiar with the Federal Council for 

 Science and Technology. 



Mr. Clotworthy. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. Headed by Dr. Hornig, the Chairman. 



Now, on this Council you have each of the agencies of the Federal 

 Government, or at least all those who have a direct interest in ocean- 

 ography, someone at almost the highest level of that particular agency. 



Could you get an interagency at a higher level representing the vari- 

 ous agencies in the Federal Council of Science and Technology than 

 we have now ? 



Mr. Clotworthy. No, sir. In fact, you could not, but I believe 

 that you could get people from the agencies for whom the oceano- 

 graphic program was their full-time job. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, of course, the Interagency Committee on Ocean- 

 ography is a creature of the Federal Council for Science and Tech- 

 nology, established at the instance of the Federal Council, and its 

 Chairman is appointed by Dr. Hornig, the Chairman of the Federal 

 Council for Science and Technology. 



Now, that is not too far afield, but what you are complaining about, 

 as I understand it, is that the Interagency Committee on Ocean- 

 ography gets down to the level in the agency where it can not speak 

 with authority for the agency ? 



Mr. Clotworth. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. Is that the complaint ? 



Mr. Clotworthy. And the Interagency Council is a coordmating 

 body. They are doing a marvelous joib of preventing duplication of 

 efforts, one agency to another, but 



Mr. Lennon. But what? Wliat is the inherent weakness of the 

 Interagency Committee on Oceanography since it is the creature of 

 the Federal Council and since it has in its composite membership a 

 person designated by the head of that particular agency for member- 

 ship on the ICO ? 



Mr. Clotworthy. If there were some means of closing the loop 

 between Dr. Hornig down through the chain into the various agencies 

 that are members of ICO, through the various committees of Congress, 

 who take a look at the budgets of the member committees, back to 

 Dr. Hornig again, and if there was a generator of some impetus 



Mr. Lennon. The fuction of the ICO, as it was related to us in the 

 past, was that it was to voice the feelings and the objectives of the 

 various agencies through the composite organization of ICO and their 

 respective lesser panels, them that was to go back to the Federal 

 Council for Science and Technology. 



Is that not being done ? 



Mr. Clotworthy. I am not sure I get the distinction. 



Mr. Lennon. I said the ICO being a creature of the Federal Coun- 

 cil for Science and Technology was to make these studies and its recom- 

 mendations to the various agencies as relating to oceanography, and 



