376 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM LEGISLATION 



In section 3(f) (3) after the word "environment" insert the following: "other 

 than sulfur, crude oil, natural gas, condensate, tar sands, shale and associated 

 hydrocarbons,". 



In section 8(a) after the word "disciplines" insert the following: "other 

 than those relating to the exploration, development, production and exploration 

 of sulfur, crude oil, natural gas, condensate, tar sands, shale and associated 

 hydrocarbons." 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Casey, any questions? 



Mr. Casey. Mr. Clark, I note you do not take any position on the 

 bills here, but with reference to the chairman's bill stating that we 

 ought to start doing some study about the legal aspects of the control, 

 undevelopment or what have you of the development of the deeper 

 waters, do you think your segment of industry would probably be in 

 favor that that should be looked at now before it gets to be a problem ? 



Mr. Clark. If I understand your question, sir, we are expecting 

 some legislation in this field and we feel that it is most worthy of a 

 number of national objectives. I thought the previous witness de- 

 veloped quite well a specific area here ; namely, that science and tech- 

 nology might very well be separated here. 



I regret that there was not time to reach a full industry position 

 and study on the mechanics of doing this, which are the nature of the 

 questions which you gentlemen have been asking this morning and 

 where we would like to be as helpful as we could. 



We do not have such a position, but I think I might reflect something 

 to you that has been common to all of our discussions; namely, that 

 you are somewhat in an area where you walk before you run and there 

 seems to be merit in certain of the bills, I believe Mr. Rogers' and a 

 companion bill introduced by Mr. Downing, which calls for a com- 

 plete study and specification of areas of need with a definite time to 

 come back and report, I believe in section 4(f) of Mr. Rogers' bill, 

 with a recommendation for an organization and budget as to how this 

 might be accomplished. 



Mr. Casey. Well, in addition to the bills with reference to organi- 

 zation, our committee chairman here, Mr. Lennon, has a bill to set up 

 a study of the legal aspects. Right now there are no laws governing, 

 and we do not exercise — nor is there any contemplation that I know 

 of about exercising sovereignty beyond the Continental Shelf, but as 

 the technology grows and we get beyond the Continental Shelf, there 

 is going to have to be some international laws probably or interna- 

 tional regulations, and I just wondered if the oil industry, in particu- 

 lar, might not feel that that was the course we could have. 



Mr. Clark. Yes, sir ; but we believe it exists to a large degree today. 

 I believe U.S. jurisdiction attached not only to the Continental Shelf, 

 but to adjacent areas to which engineering and exploitation might 

 attach. 



Several years ago, in some of our early discussions with the Bureau 

 of Land Management, this subject came out very clearly. They did 

 not want to offer leases, for example, off the west coast beyond the 

 Continental Shelf, and this map, of course, will show that sometimes 

 within half a mile of shore you can be in excess of 200 meters water 

 depth, so this obviously had to be accommodated. 



They asked us where we thought we should be able to go. We can 

 only have one answer to that ; namely, as far as we can be protected. 



We believe that existing international law, which provides for us 

 to move outward from the Continental Shelf, should pertain. 



